From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jul 28 07:09:35 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:09:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVnN0-00030R-SC for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:09:35 -0700 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MVnMx-0002v0-4N for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:09:34 -0700 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 14so21427qwa.58 for ; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:09:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=smGTaTV6hLiUnoutxE+fWP+9OZhUqHsPkGdWHuFOXPM=; b=J4781u9ydzDHyhiaRhzhGBdgdfNPXApzE34DZkf0qs5mOzWSfi7+D4Nw6dJsuEgKyC xb/Qcr/7TLUnay2zo08MQmfXXq34Bvl6BgKlLMFLOw7R37bzuwQnafuME+76HYi8ZJbt z/R8o/Ge/5sUsHFGnlAURjPiBdD1zeo45ikEk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=UQ10RyjmLYjZ7xAg8k97wtMABUB8qVfiLsSu0ErTbei6Q9pP6ituZVKMP2oVBhUbbj MXKPAex0U6WDi2OoVV8DLhTAm0xSKttHwukLPVvJ25UjJkCQoVG/BW/JcD6DjHWwd/gL yCpj78aeF5HWUaHE11uzxprUI5J8WKE8zzMgQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.153.1 with SMTP id a1mr13589981ybe.265.1248790169917; Tue, 28 Jul 2009 07:09:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200907280859.09514.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <200907280045.44937.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a60907280533n45388b3dg4d9e7596e5c1e541@mail.gmail.com> <200907280859.09514.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:09:29 -0400 Message-ID: <96f789a60907280709h7960f3fftc2c9a5a083360ed2@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: elliptical sentences From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd3f8c67a1b8f046fc49e42 X-archive-position: 15819 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd3f8c67a1b8f046fc49e42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 28 July 2009 08:33:56 Michael Turniansky wrote: > > Huh? Am I missing something here? What's elliptical about it? > > --gejyspa > > The complete statement would be "The genes for seeing red and green are on > the > X chromosome; the gene for seeing blue is on the 7th chromosome". The gene > for seeing red isn't red, so calling it "lo xunre" isn't literally right. > Do > I have to say at least "lo xunre co'e"? > Ah, now I understand, and further understand why you mentioned "jgina" in your first message. Taken completely out of context, I had no idea what the English sentence meant. I thought you were just talking about abstract things... well, let's see.. you could certainly get away with saying "le" rather than "lo" since even in xorlo there's no implication that it's actually colored that way. --gy --000e0cd3f8c67a1b8f046fc49e42 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Pierre = Abbat <phma@phma= .optus.nu> wrote:
On Tuesday 28 July 2009 08:33:56 Michael Turniansky wrote= :
> =C2=A0 Huh? =C2=A0Am I missing something here? =C2=A0What's ellipt= ical about it?
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 --gejyspa

The complete statement would be "The genes for seeing red and gr= een are on the
X chromosome; the gene for seeing blue is on the 7th chromosome". The = gene
for seeing red isn't red, so calling it "lo xunre" isn't = literally right. Do
I have to say at least "lo xunre co'e"?


=C2= =A0=C2=A0 Ah, now I understand, and further understand why you mentioned &q= uot;jgina" in your first message.=C2=A0 Taken completely out of contex= t, I had no idea what the English sentence meant.=C2=A0 I thought you were = just talking about abstract things...=C2=A0 well, let's see.. you could= certainly get away with saying "le" rather than "lo" s= ince even in xorlo there's no implication that it's actually colore= d that way.

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