From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Aug 05 19:29:55 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYsjm-0005kp-Vl for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:29:53 -0700 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MYsjc-0005kD-6u for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:29:49 -0700 Received: from chausie ([71.75.215.96]) by cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com with ESMTP id <20090806022928396.QFHL557@cdptpa-omta02.mail.rr.com> for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2009 02:29:28 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF3AB38A0 for ; Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:29:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: [lojban] Re: Experiments in Sapir Whorf Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 22:29:23 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <5715b9300908051153n66567fafyb8fe10bc2cfa10a7@mail.gmail.com> <118604.47821.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <118604.47821.qm@web81306.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200908052229.24941.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-archive-position: 15923 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Wednesday 05 August 2009 16:32:57 John E Clifford wrote: > (I'll pass over the fact that Loglan/Lojban is not well designed for the > test, since it is not different from English in almost any possibly > relevant way.) I disagree. It has no distinction between common nouns, adjectives, and verbs; it has space tenses similar to time tenses; it has neither accusative nor ergative alignment, but something totally different. One point made on the Wikipedia page is that Guugu Yimidhirr uses north and south, not front and back, to state the relative positions of objects. This gives Yimidhirr speakers an advantage in open terrain. Lojban has both kinds of directions as tenses. Lojban has no grammatical number. It does have an individual/mass/set distinction, which English lacks. Lojban has a large set of conjunctions, including a one-syllable word for "if and only if", a word for "the intersection of ... and ...", and words for joining things in sets and sequences. Pierre To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.