From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 10 19:53:21 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:53:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MahUG-0001bY-VS for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:53:21 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MahUE-0001b5-0r for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:53:20 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so3053113vws.25 for ; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:53:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=ZqiVEZtwUOAhCEMTZ34sfBPyoyN4IhXcHQj2Dlqt6IA=; b=DhUC3QEGn7ZPZ6vHL+8ty+vGld7LONLI/mUwJpm/tLHfEttZXzzGB1eMzGKQacSaEK 0Tu51lz7olYldqcSvFAOL0J8qc0kuGiSBJfyJiWoRaU08AGtIF5wXEFr7pvOeK6fMEEE Wkzy5j3yZmoOdSW1+iE5D3y4CY+PAK/FVOtbs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=QCOZlL23ZTzTpaow2XGRZbDXKl2hSjk8hLhsx21YPifKghIOnHkINRPHAKrNQRMtZH fT5HiDctE7kHDDBPHE3KhqXdCVb6kSII5fmhhNIffPWFet5eo9nu2KVIPaICIamzF90t OrTppGVctnaUuS43T7MljfCoISlYbJp61fPTg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.86.129 with SMTP id s1mr5849978vcl.22.1249958704275; Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:45:04 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300908101945jfa1c06v84f68bfccb7c8b1c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] potentially stupid question From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64e9bf48d628e0470d4b0f0 X-archive-position: 15951 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e64e9bf48d628e0470d4b0f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was picturing the following scenario playing out between a lojbanic parent and his/her child: rirni: lo re titla cu banzu verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo rirni .i do binxo lo xlali verba verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo rirni .i o'onai .i lo nu do tavla cu ckape do verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo rirni .i o'onaicai .i .au mi darxi do now I would think that a child learning a language as they grow would tend to see the generalities of a language and apply those generalities to unknown words and concepts. So wouldn't the child expect that the following response (un-doubtedly screamed while running for cover): verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo would continue to be clever and grammatically correct since "fi" *seems*like it usually means "under conditions"? Could the constantly shifting places for concepts like "under conditions" cause natural learners of lojban to get confused? mu'o mi'e pafcribe --0016e64e9bf48d628e0470d4b0f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was picturing the following scenario playing out between a lojbanic paren= t and his/her child:
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rirni:=A0 lo re titla cu banzu
verba: .i = go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
rirni=A0 .i do binxo lo xlali verba
verb= a: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
rirni .i o'onai .i lo nu do tavla cu ckape do
verba: .i <pause>= ; go'i fi lonu do tolxendo
rirni .i o'onaicai .i .au mi darxi do=

now I would think that a child learning a language as they grow wou= ld tend to see the generalities of a language and apply those generalities = to unknown words and concepts.=A0 So wouldn't the child expect that the= following response (un-doubtedly screamed while running for cover):

verba: .i go'i fi lonu do tolxendo

would continue to be cle= ver and grammatically correct since "fi" seems like it usu= ally means "under conditions"?

Could the constantly shifti= ng places for concepts like "under conditions" cause natural lear= ners of lojban to get confused?

mu'o mi'e pafcribe
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