From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Aug 24 20:19:54 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:19:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfmZe-0006i4-NJ for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:19:54 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MfmZc-0006hu-6V for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:19:54 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so2293016vws.25 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:19:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WHXMux1nDQmlw5DSeHUK8gAWmlVwHEfWLNQAclEGMvQ=; b=uz70bXyZgVg7VDo7Lool37vulVm1Ak/tu/baeqfuxAlk1nIaHsSOb2FJUlztbC9emc pEhzLBx6szlqFKjMPYRn56vB1QEOKTYJQIIs5KdSf/Sn9qFueGBmkEbQ4BUR3ipNHg10 WPI57op8BExQ6OlrzBVAC9jyeKWmGIbvGXY1c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=tW5x5M01A/lSjlxiYI9UOsgSIbQY/a6s7inVuxvfwo2Y/vRQhTfeaAi6ihj687tFFG U6aZdD1BpIN2u7GmBbSd41eeETNgu+e+npLfCCiZnFQunE0SbfA32mJcn/xSKF2VytxJ 4eXTviYeqaGVTvscAEpvoWqsaopXVbmuDasmc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.6.149 with SMTP id 21mr7049156vcz.112.1251170386071; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 20:19:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 23:19:45 -0400 Message-ID: <95b2fb130908242019p2250dfe0w4d8f85b0661cc07f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: How many possible gismu? From: "H. Felton" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16011 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fagricipni@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 9:45 PM, wrote: > My name "stevo" deliberately has the form of a gismu, but when I use it in > Lojban, I always use "stevon".  I never try to use "stevo" as a gismu.  What > would be its meaning?  "x1 is the person called "stevo" "? > > mu'o mi'e stevon As I remember the argument was that the person named "bunre" did not actually have to be brown, perhaps they are named "Emmett Brown". Since cmeme do not actually imply meaning, though they can suggest meaning. (Even in English, most of the people who have a last of "Smith" could trace it back to an actual ancestor who was an actual smith.) Since, cmeme are not related to meaning, the expression "la marca" can be unambiguously de-composed in to "la" followed by a brivla, even if that brivla is meaningless, so as long as the "la" is followed by a morphologically correct tanru, brivla, or cmevla, the use of meaningless brivla (inculding meaningless gismu) is not ambiguous, as long if it is morphologically correct; that what I mean about "taking liberties with the morphology"; it's technically legal, but pushing the boundaries of what was meant to be done. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.