From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Aug 25 17:27:30 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mg6MM-0002FC-Ly for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:27:30 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f219.google.com ([209.85.217.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mg6MJ-0002EL-Sv for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:27:30 -0700 Received: by gxk19 with SMTP id 19so5895688gxk.0 for ; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:27:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=wX/9MrzLPRuz8sYUgud7h/FrZMfr242XUxwWpiu9QlU=; b=wcpvwA5UqtP4huVadQE2cHPWnXYKwYuzZf2x6O79ejZZYCk0CtbFmHus+9ZguJL4wV F2MfrXrYzZjIJFOy6M3n2lmpDWwgC0p+Fr47jbdu5G+w97ZN9DimrCrjWRUK4gu5qXrk uWl611fY1PlELzJATQtso4WbWgV5un0wetVs8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=GQCIDBCZZntIlzb9i+DfbbUBmNiJamB0ksgHDl9CUHe5uer8/2jSwAzEwnrma00aj7 NgpKlxK2lYD58r9p+SJ5upB293vdj48tx5dsNNlUXinskomsTqrkZnQbE7GXvIXGO93t qx/gIb9dJIlAkZ5iyHXdZ89QiziXvxXAnK6JM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.104.13 with SMTP id b13mr11825983ybc.17.1251246441882; Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:27:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <95b2fb130908251135k62d10a8dhfb3ccc4cf3ad3fa0@mail.gmail.com> References: <95b2fb130908251135k62d10a8dhfb3ccc4cf3ad3fa0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 10:27:21 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: How many possible gismu? From: Arran To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd6b3aeb1e46f0472008378 X-archive-position: 16044 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arran4@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd6b3aeb1e46f0472008378 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:35 AM, H. Felton wrote: > If we hit that point we could well speculate about communicating by > exchanging "core dumps" of the relevant brain states; I could not only > communicate to you that I saw something blue, but also _exactly_ what > shade of blue it was, by copying that part of my memory and and > including it in the "core dump"; I could also communicate to you > everything I know about a subject encoding as a "core dump" the brain > states of the region(s) where that information is stored. (I don't > say neuron states because I don't assume that we will be using a > structure that involves neurons at that point.) IF the singularity > occurs, there is, as you say, no way to predict anything beyond that > point. If the world is to become less comprehensible to us than our > culture and lives would be to a Neanderthal, we can't reasonably > predict how that will affect things; so there is no way to plan for > it. > Speaking of 'blue' we actually do seem to refer to a specific shade of blue, maybe like some words (ie the gender) we need a word for a specific shade of blue and something that is close to the specific shade of blue.. A lujvo would do, until you want to put it inside another lujvo. :P --000e0cd6b3aeb1e46f0472008378 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 4:35 AM, H. Felt= on <fagricipni= @gmail.com> wrote:
If we hit that point we could well speculat= e about communicating by
exchanging "core dumps" of the relevant brain states; I could not= only
communicate to you that I saw something blue, but also _exactly_ what
shade of blue it was, by copying that part of my memory and and
including it in the "core dump"; I could also communicate to you<= br> everything I know about a subject encoding as a "core dump" the b= rain
states of the region(s) where that information is stored. =A0(I don't say neuron states because I don't assume that we will be using a
structure that involves neurons at that point.) =A0IF the singularity
occurs, there is, as you say, no way to predict anything beyond that
point. =A0If the world is to become less comprehensible to us than our
culture and lives would be to a Neanderthal, we can't reasonably
predict how that will affect things; so there is no way to plan for
it.

Speaking of 'blue' we actually do s= eem to refer to a specific shade of blue, maybe like some words (ie the gen= der) we need a word for a specific shade of blue and something that is clos= e to the specific shade of blue.. A lujvo would do, until you want to put i= t inside another lujvo. :P
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