From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 04 07:56:46 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjaDV-0004rs-Pu for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:56:46 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f193.google.com ([209.85.212.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MjaDR-0004rY-0b for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:56:45 -0700 Received: by vws31 with SMTP id 31so743820vws.28 for ; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=z2SaV+4BpTol6f/Qqhb99M68oMxMzpgNt5tg148ASec=; b=eOm2hU74QLZRWyV9L6QPYlh9H7ygFfcWuP33KIOyc+wGt4h0StZCJtYVq2cfGgiPvr vj6PvL+70twoMGThYzXcHnRrHhpotDxHlxtt5KvLFTLgsoUGb/Ae65EKk6Xlrh93Dia9 +9y9SF44ml0fMlSJNkVq5F6Kt/FCL3YbdNrlo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qKrN9vzYW7w77K82kOgDPlOyeM85EpqPdcKEbiO8qagdlDSga5naa3+RMBo/AN08mo oWHDht8135Qvp8ffN0k78e3O0fMn2DcxVgi3YMEmYRtI91/amNBLKzFeXxViQf4wweZg jIECXDr6+uI4mxomQHEsNrKUbfdy3wVvW7Sws= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.105.148 with SMTP id t20mr7192509vco.96.1252076194754; Fri, 04 Sep 2009 07:56:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <96f789a60909040747q11251a67p9bf3bd660ff0d2d9@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300908240824n448315ccj221a74bdf88e79e7@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300908241123y78c25648q324e24f372608a42@mail.gmail.com> <4BD12EB8-CEC5-4EE4-B43C-B9CDB034455C@georgetown.edu> <5715b9300908242154t3719840bv34a35548e0c7df85@mail.gmail.com> <425e4ac20909031744s47e509ccud9f42da507fbd84f@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300909032023od042c0y5bbcdc6e4729c404@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a60909040747q11251a67p9bf3bd660ff0d2d9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:56:34 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300909040756p77445e1fta2d5b0ebd66828a7@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e646925cd1fb890472c1b4bb X-archive-position: 16079 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e646925cd1fb890472c1b4bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 ahh, yes, that seems much less convoluted. My thought process was something like: "I will be doing something, so it's {mi _____ gasnu} but the doing is some kind of being promised something by {you imperative}". So I was going for "I will do being promised something by {you imperative}". So the "doing" is me assuring that the {ko nupre} is held. I like {terfu'e} better though. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > > I don't know lojban well enough yet to be 100% sure, but I believe you've > > just said (in a nutshell): you guessed right. I've for a while > sporadically > > wondered about speers and such. I think lojban will be different though, > > for example in lojban country there's a myth about the lojban born in the > > lojban culture (not sure of the meaning here). such lojban kids are > often > > imagined about (hopefully not in a perverted way). We all (lojban > people) > > will help in the rearing of a lojbanic person, promise. the event of a > > lojban person is possible. we are able. > > > > to which I respond: > > > > ki'e doi selckiku .i mi ba gasnu co te nupre fa ko > > > > (I'm hoping that's something like "thanks selckiku. I'll hold you to > that") > > Mmm... not quite. Your first sentence, while not incorrect, > doesn't need the doi. ki'e already is in the COI selma'o, so it takes > the person being addressed after it -- "ki'e selckiku". Your second > sentence is more problematic. The "fa" marks "ko" as as being in the > first place of "gasnu co te nupre" (a promised-to causer) along with > yourself. It shoud be a "fi" (the one who made the promise, since > "te" switches the x1 and x3 of "nupre"). But with "ko" rather than > "do" it sort of means "Make me be the one that causes you to promise > something to me". I'd think you'd probably want to go with more like > "mi ba terfu'e .ai le selnu'e do" > > --gejyspa > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --0016e646925cd1fb890472c1b4bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ahh, yes, that seems much less convoluted.=A0 My thought process was someth= ing like: "I will be doing something, so it's {mi _____ gasnu} but= the doing is some kind of being promised something by {you imperative}&quo= t;.=A0 So I was going for "I will do being promised something by {you = imperative}".=A0 So the "doing" is me assuring that the {ko = nupre} is held.

I like {terfu'e} better though.

O= n Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>= wrote:
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 11:23 PM, Luke Bergen<lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know lojban well enough yet to be 100% sure, but I believe= you've
> just said (in a nutshell):=A0 you guessed right. I've for a while = sporadically
> wondered about speers and such.=A0 I think lojban will be different th= ough,
> for example in lojban country there's a myth about the lojban born= in the
> lojban culture (not sure of the meaning here).=A0 such lojban kids are= often
> imagined about (hopefully not in a perverted way).=A0 We all (lojban p= eople)
> will help in the rearing of a lojbanic person, promise.=A0 the event o= f a
> lojban person is possible.=A0 we are able.
>
> to which I respond:
>
> ki'e doi selckiku .i mi ba gasnu co te nupre fa ko
>
> (I'm hoping that's something like "thanks selckiku.=A0 I&= #39;ll hold you to that")

=A0 Mmm... not quite. =A0Your first sentence, while not incorrect, doesn't need the doi. =A0ki'e already is in the COI selma'o, so= it takes
the person being addressed after it -- "ki'e selckiku". =A0 Y= our second
sentence is more problematic. =A0The "fa" marks "ko" as= as being in the
first place of "gasnu co te nupre" (a promised-to causer) along w= ith
yourself. =A0 It shoud be a "fi" (the one who made the promise, s= ince
"te" switches the x1 and x3 of "nupre"). =A0But with &q= uot;ko" rather than
"do" it sort of means "Make me be the one that causes you to= promise
something to me". =A0I'd think you'd probably want to go with = more like
"mi ba terfu'e .ai =A0le selnu'e do"

=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa


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