From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 07 08:54:28 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MkgXz-00007R-GW for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:54:27 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f192.google.com ([209.85.211.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MkgXw-00006y-74 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:54:27 -0700 Received: by ywh30 with SMTP id 30so4106862ywh.25 for ; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:54:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MLsGWKw2nSXUNr3Upb1/t8xhPi/1cD4qz7XFx27pDJU=; b=KT760vqOOtC7A169PF6Xsh6ahDf25GfSzeYY/1r1UYJZLsNY3hcyfm5g1t/Hj70gIE +ZIY464ak0dd6A0wO4fQJzkr1/rGqujX1gt1BKrGaWmtYj/mUSyLCR8+mUUnv7uVE7nU WrImQs/Li49F6XwZgrHw92iUXJEcGc5jdp7yw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pVQPfKsKLcBIcjh3nXLJ06ZUrmrkXDk2tdtRslBlxzhNh2FL+oTQjOZkQkqUbZn75q LKPb87qXPgYvzY3vM+iF5tDmNbTaCx0JHrc2nbCRuFSqTQw2QtVvCqec8QXcNd8Am+M5 Zn7uOO09CiJ8JLDIxM96MdANUbQRUjqExLiSU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.243.18 with SMTP id q18mr1872813agh.75.1252338857995; Mon, 07 Sep 2009 08:54:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <386480.83513.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <9ada8ecd0909051425t78a046f3kddef2869e5c8e7a2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909060746n223ad9c7ic88894c3513a6ea1@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909061401n35c37197j6ff4fac5b267fc5e@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909061426r95b84efu76464f7327430f6c@mail.gmail.com> <395902.46727.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ada8ecd0909061448p2eaa92ep19569f2b66793b76@mail.gmail.com> <386480.83513.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:54:17 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909070854sb779926t4ad3321499753241@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 16093 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 11:04 AM, John E Clifford wrote: > > (I use "bunch" and even that bugs xorxes, who wants no > hint of an entity between the brodas and their expression, so just "(Some) > brodas"). Yes, the reason it bugs me is that for me any quantification of "LE broda" should only be concerned with things that count as broda. Using words such as mass/group/bunch can be harmless, as long as one is not tempted by these words to start quantifying over new entities. If we do quantify over those new things, we are no longer counting brodas and so I prefer to use a different selbri for that new type of entity, "lo gunma be lo broda", "lo girzu be lo broda", "lo selcmi be lo broda", and so on. Using gadri to introduce these new entities just leads to trouble. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.