From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 08 06:37:16 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ml0sm-0000hc-9u for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:37:16 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f201.google.com ([209.85.211.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ml0sc-0000gx-RV for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:37:15 -0700 Received: by ywh39 with SMTP id 39so5241730ywh.26 for ; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:37:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=4sS+CIm3BCe0OGrFEvvSCpVkwivm9TfQjqWEzScatJQ=; b=xyUxC7DaCuiUFWBLEAfMj1l/jgJDyYtc2OjCHnjdHjCTJr1KgvmlG1949NvmirsD4s /ZovVsQi+EcNn59mU7g3Gx9DZ8LMyHvj1M7dlm2wA7ChPVwP1S2SXlFi0CuF3v1T7IYR qSIoahOFbJq6gbbQ8+/qglGNIRGrfCUbpRO8c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=be32P3BhQkrc8tF4TvsYavzvWIyk01IacNGGxLHxNKTOiC8n7oYAfg83bkTo0EEcRV cZqWKQdDFNrrYNvXzwKjDLpTnlMS1SE4bsuKO5QyLhq1uMr0//fIwz8pHgV4psl7qu+c Rtd9mE2L/NeV1vffnhUxB0i8aX3B0XRnR//hU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.143.16 with SMTP id q16mr12027654agd.26.1252417019320; Tue, 08 Sep 2009 06:36:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9ada8ecd0909080221h297baa5eqb5eba2ad6ac1d5d5@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ada8ecd0909051425t78a046f3kddef2869e5c8e7a2@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909060746n223ad9c7ic88894c3513a6ea1@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909061401n35c37197j6ff4fac5b267fc5e@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909061426r95b84efu76464f7327430f6c@mail.gmail.com> <395902.46727.qm@web50406.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <9ada8ecd0909061448p2eaa92ep19569f2b66793b76@mail.gmail.com> <386480.83513.qm@web81304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <9ada8ecd0909071709s5181e5d4r8e7803ac95581ad3@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909080221h297baa5eqb5eba2ad6ac1d5d5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:36:58 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909080636r60e8dda2q1a67ce55130768f5@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 16108 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:21 AM, Squark Rabinovich wrote: > Let's try to translate the sentence "Do you hear a woman/girl talking?" [...] > In pre-xorlo, that would be > xu do tirna lo nu lo n[i]nmu cu tavla That's how I would say it too. Of course it could also mean "do you hear women talking?" both pre-xorlo and now. > Hmm, even worse, what's lo nu ? "The event?" I'm pretty sure it's supposed > to be "an event", Or "events", or even better just a suitably placed "-ing", since the word "event" sometimes brings unwanted connotations (a state is rarely called an "event", but it can be a "nu" for example). For example: "mi nelci lo nu citka lo cakla" doesn't really translate well as "I like an event of eating chocolate". "I like events of eating chocolate" is slightly better, but the best is "I like eating chocolate". mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.