From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 09 17:41:10 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:41:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlXio-0003OM-9S for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:41:10 -0700 Received: from web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.199.117]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MlXij-0003NQ-QN for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:41:10 -0700 Received: (qmail 79277 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2009 00:40:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1252543259; bh=AOR2sDBhF0KwZyeL1qh5W9gXoNDQhiN9IY694EuRtSM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=EiHWc7qD0oHHvf+pN+Srt2cAZns5a8LGZgoOEKoKenRsBxI5GQRDiM90tr5i3yMh20QG53MdDeNYa2/BjyoSNjNejObrFXZocpyLauBkclFZUA1NipBf08A4UdsaIdmZAU1YCV3yuwH+nJNt/ZB9IIccvQbPpSMmtYxQiR1AQZU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=scr4XhatWpcb/LNvILGyvxNybOspAd4bOTA9+v9XurfRT4Kbn9HxnTXsKFEMp20V9d4aFTR7LxWUsZ+XUt2BgnUNAv/OBY7FqKbi+KS7X1JU6uSnK+rXlhKhP7x6anlpWDsEqnEnc+Hn7tJhpTfzG6kzZqWSn0f+ToGL+tIQimE=; Message-ID: <532452.77465.qm@web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8AdC9CMVM1lJxudR0FPUJzEgVsGd2j9KUSUWTEZG78WX1ZPYy07baVXg1PMTL9JKJI9d1C1hWpU2lNmNl6gL_NWxQGNwAqVdJ0X_aJvEX0VRaFuZDY4dSye4EO6eZdTzVQu3_mhKYPG1PwUrvDXJVfF471iysgM2ToCVBWK4jez4EWStVGxX1Jyuyscsh2_QnBgPhla822WhclhZcIQEfmGDZRrJPjPf7DgpjflKiMhbY5kXUyI7zJuLsf76ELSO7PYUSRsTp2MdRpZdbUFUb6foCmSF77Zf4PCQDvPOIVBfa0Yms.49z3R8uFftBaWRXxeC3OfKqVxraa3pcmfcd2RMjLCq2_90ipQzybYyBbFJAyBi6ngH7jBRbKrPFGljQJHyJdOn Received: from [24.207.224.145] by web81301.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:40:59 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 References: <9ada8ecd0909051425t78a046f3kddef2869e5c8e7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909080221h297baa5eqb5eba2ad6ac1d5d5@mail.gmail.com> <200909080827.14128.phma@phma.optus.nu> <9ada8ecd0909081238j2649ee89g28c6b34c72d82b18@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909081321x34f3faa1u40106c6ed49b5972@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909081431m6758386dgf241e2b27e99b5d7@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909081613o6eec4c9i71c10f8f418e5c17@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909091032h9c4c838x4addad9337e10f18@mail.gmail.com> <507917.88436.qm@web81305.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <925d17560909091608x17bc71f7h7ec16449cc8e10b4@mail.gmail.com> <203604.11793.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 17:40:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John E Clifford Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <203604.11793.qm@web81308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16142 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: kali9putra@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list And, of course, about whether it is ok to say "bunch of"and about whether there are generic objects and about intensional contexts. So, actually it looks about the same as usual. ----- Original Message ---- From: John E Clifford To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 6:20:42 PM Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo Well, to ease both our discomforts, I note that we do disagree about whether lo requires a collective reading and about what , if anything, loi etc. mean. ----- Original Message ---- From: Jorge Llambías To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2009 6:08:29 PM Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:14 PM, John E Clifford wrote: > > Well, I think xorxes and I will disagree here: I think that an external > quantifier forces a distributive reading and it is at least possilbe that > xorxes does not I do agree that outer quantifiers are always distributive. Strangely enough, we seem to be on the same page on practically everything (as long as generics and intensional contexts don't crop up). This is a very odd situation. :) mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.