From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 11 06:22:37 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mm65F-0007Vk-Bm for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:22:37 -0700 Received: from mail-ew0-f216.google.com ([209.85.219.216]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mm659-0007UW-RC for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:22:37 -0700 Received: by ewy12 with SMTP id 12so1163981ewy.0 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:22:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=QZhF9IuQJzBNC56gORoZyZFBRpOAclEKdRooMbNwwmE=; b=sMJcAo3qQtTpZgzKAI+40eDU9hh/u2Ovj8LvXwvF6LJO/TJvzZBgzRHiZLbaw5fzP7 KCyMViS9PsFopU92Jpg4UUw27EZkMBGrXl93weoJYinTW2HOFf5OO5Ne9zK5xrbn7vAe M8XM2XCNsPIz6jNn3MwEd4pROwe0ZCWGHUndo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ad2KFfY+ZsXl0nysL53awMD2o3TQdRFL78YMZNIrWYM0sO1S6jcHtEo4mKSvx4+Ixp 5k93bn0fSCOPofGvPPtZ0okoMu39Jyi1pLaS1uCtAV87fIRgkuDWnO4j7ZVmLRYqfSPx R+HlBP7cfuHyJJHW6utwBPyyASnC7kq3ybLz8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.87.12 with SMTP id x12mr810964wee.48.1252675344820; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:22:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300909110601t2c92b8efx6941354a15e17420@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3930909110409w35f41b1bm186e230607911514@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300909110546w65b948bbm45e7ba698e1050b4@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300909110601t2c92b8efx6941354a15e17420@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 15:22:24 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: E-Prime & Lojban From: Mikael Hall To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e0a9f29c9f04734d3428 X-archive-position: 16149 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: mikael.hall@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016e6d7e0a9f29c9f04734d3428 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No I was merely thinking that a language cannot have intentions... I find e-prime interesting though, because lojban attempts to state "facts" primarily, while e-prime want you to focus on "beliefs" - like the "frequentist" vs "bayesian" view of statistics ... oops! :) I can be very sloppy when I have'nt sleept enough. Sorry. 2009/9/11 Luke Bergen > does "I like the intention of this language very much" use any "to be" ve= rb > forms? (this really is hard to get used to, I wanted to say "how does yo= ur > sentence use 'to be'") > > > On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mikael Hall wrote= : > >> "How would you say "I'm here", for instance?" >> >> >> =3D> >> >> >> "I occupy place at this location". >> >> I like the intention of this language very much ... oops! >> >> >> 2009/9/11 Luke Bergen >> >> sometimes when I'm figuring out how to say what I want to say in my head >>> I'll throw in an unnecessary {cu} because it sounds right due to an eng= lish >>> {is}. >>> >>> That E-Prime thing looks interesting. But it seems like there would be >>> some things in english that you simply couldn't say without using a "to= be" >>> form of verb. >>> >>> How would you say "I'm here", for instance? >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:09 AM, tijlan wrote: >>> >>>> What do you think of E-Prime? >>>> >>>> Does the practice of Lojban discourage uses of "to be" in English? We >>>> seem to frequent the form of "lo skina cu pluka" more than the form of >>>> "lo skina cu me lo pluka", in which "me" may roughly correspond to the >>>> English copula "be", as in "the movie is good". Could this mean that >>>> Lojban has some bearings on the discipline of E-Prime? >>>> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime >>>> >>>> mu'o jundi mi'e tijlan >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >>>> if >>>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical." =97 Niels Bohr >> >> "There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so >> on." >> =97 Robert Byrne >> >> > --=20 "No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical." =97 Niels Bohr "There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they start and so on.= " =97 Robert Byrne --0016e6d7e0a9f29c9f04734d3428 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No I was merely thinking that a language cannot have intentions...

I= find e-prime interesting though,=A0 because lojban attempts to state "= ;facts"=A0 primarily, while e-prime want you to focus on "beliefs= " - like the "frequentist" vs "bayesian" view of s= tatistics ... oops!
:)

=A0I can be very sloppy when I have'nt sleept enough.
Sor= ry.



2009/9/11 Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.c= om>
does "I like= the intention of this language very much" use any "to be" v= erb forms?=A0 (this really is hard to get used to, I wanted to say "ho= w does your sentence use 'to be'")


On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 8:53 AM, Mikael Hall <mikael.hall@gmail.com> wrote:
"How would you say "I'm here", for instance?"<= br>

=3D>


"I occupy place at this location&q= uot;.

I like the intention of this language very much ... oops!


2009/9/11 Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com>
<= /div>

sometimes when I'm figuring out how to say what I want to say in my hea= d I'll throw in an unnecessary {cu} because it sounds right due to an e= nglish {is}.

That E-Prime thing looks interesting.=A0 But it seems l= ike there would be some things in english that you simply couldn't say = without using a "to be" form of verb.=A0

How would you say "I'm here", for instance?


On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:09 AM, = tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
What do you think= of E-Prime?

Does the practice of Lojban discourage uses of "to be" in English= ? We
seem to frequent the form of "lo skina cu pluka" more than the fo= rm of
"lo skina cu me lo pluka", in which "me" may roughly co= rrespond to the
English copula "be", as in "the movie is good". Could t= his mean that
Lojban has some bearings on the discipline of E-Prime?

http://e= n.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime

mu'o jundi mi'e tijlan


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--
"No, no, you're not thinking; you're = just being logical." =97 Niels Bohr

"There are two kinds o= f people, those who finish what they start and so on."
=97 Robert Byrne





--
"No, n= o, you're not thinking; you're just being logical." =97 Niels = Bohr

"There are two kinds of people, those who finish what they= start and so on."
=97 Robert Byrne

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