From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 11 10:25:21 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mm9s9-00029H-At for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:25:21 -0700 Received: from mail-yx0-f197.google.com ([209.85.210.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mm9s4-000287-Lg for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:25:21 -0700 Received: by yxe35 with SMTP id 35so4653010yxe.2 for ; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:25:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=gfcs1NoUhUcBooKrCebHo18SFaJ1PO7oOP64UKsoCfM=; b=voYIuE0GXQHoRyLdDgC2lW1oN6D87f0xnTYqN9xCEgeWimyCs65JOGiLBSh80odyze 5YaBMmXeL8db3g6h2l0z8Bi+sgaSrAsb0J6CzF9OD9hX9zk5E40sLd0eDXPCZO+fgSnk mg6ZYWtXLuobitx2opA8xXdD6ADlTtHFM6NbM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=mu0KwJbRIou5cWe5/78SLv9ERnwpJmuDiczYC6Aw3Z2Bs8H1iZecXEs6KZZZr6YFTY 5EG93F1OX7K4iCZ9C/fgiCbkUaqzhux/ghMy9r2uTnLOwrw2GboHpvr4OgT0MDZT/qhd JEy+Itrz7X8/8PHKyVh7NZr++sY6A4/aKkrQ8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.26.7 with SMTP id d7mr1821112agj.1.1252689910304; Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:25:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4AAA7DC4.40801@lojban.org> References: <9ada8ecd0909051425t78a046f3kddef2869e5c8e7a2@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909080221h297baa5eqb5eba2ad6ac1d5d5@mail.gmail.com> <200909080827.14128.phma@phma.optus.nu> <9ada8ecd0909081238j2649ee89g28c6b34c72d82b18@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909081321x34f3faa1u40106c6ed49b5972@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909081431m6758386dgf241e2b27e99b5d7@mail.gmail.com> <9ada8ecd0909081441y42709788laa0acf4937dc03ba@mail.gmail.com> <4AAA7DC4.40801@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:25:10 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560909111025g4046b392s4942dc27ebe96a0f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: xorlo From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 16159 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Bob LeChevalier wrote: > > And unfortunately, for some of us oldtimers who don't really understand > xorlo, "accepted" is a word that may never really apply.  xorxes has (at > times at least) said that in actually usage it will seldom make any > difference - that the differences mostly lie in how it is explained or > taught in logical terms. The pre-xorlo situation was that everybody had their own, different understanding of how gadri worked. The post-xorlo situation is that everybody has their own, different understanding of how gadri work. So there hasn't been any significant change. In actual usage, we seem to manage somehow. It's the theoretical explanations that get convoluted, because it's obviously a hard area to pin down in any language. > So I will probably continue to use the language as > I know it until/unless someone tells me I am wrong, but I've stopped trying > to be one who attempts to explain the language to others beyond the > rudimentary level. That's wise. After all, the language is what the usage of fluent speakers says it is, not what the textbooks say. I only wish we had more opportunities to see some of your own usage. mu'o mi'e xorxes To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.