From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 22 08:58:04 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq7ki-0005G1-2z for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:58:04 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f188.google.com ([209.85.212.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mq7ke-0005FR-Gn for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:58:03 -0700 Received: by vws26 with SMTP id 26so2816436vws.26 for ; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:57:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=ZvPUtw91e0bEQC4JAo22TichqGOS7j/4zWj8VyxnP+Q=; b=nEP47J6RYa5/qAFMy8FUgSXjDAHq2e906QXFJmgH1HfznWdjd3fv04hlwaLksrp8Mm /f1iR9njmpWEkIGF9IpqF5JYdF/wsUR4+wsmIbZUpWKLWLuIVDiwjwgs5WZss6LvrQah lDxJCXqjv8IEv3l0Ujly0Ra6xPn+vtg47QgYs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=nEg3A+sRFq2vxCBgwARa4RoAq2ojPkOsFnhSeEGtZfJgPQIs9KXCWasZhJtuEbJj2e Mx8o4OkxKoYJqyTR6Kw8zg4eP1hKfsxzJhIFWMV3EEe6kfXl1tNrEhm5QqdYdwlxy9fb uK9TjjnY+fPhWK1anbxYQIYlFEHMS1knB05WA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.88.140 with SMTP id a12mr1734082vcm.27.1253635074127; Tue, 22 Sep 2009 08:57:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 11:57:53 -0400 Message-ID: <95b2fb130909220857h7f203bc5o819d645134bff77b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Fwd: lojban and raising a child bi-lingual From: "H. Felton" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-archive-position: 16237 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: fagricipni@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list On 9/22/09, MorphemeAddict@wmconnect.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/22/2009 11:26:25 Eastern Daylight Time, > adam@pubcrawler.org writes: > > >> says everything I would want to, only better. Particularly the "Children >> learn language easily" part (wish there were an internal anchor there). >> Short >> version: learning languages is really hard, and children don't tend to do >> it >> if they can at all avoid it. >> > > If it were hard, then why is it that every kid in the world who is even > approximately normal physically (able to hear and/or see, make utterances, > think) learns the language of the people around him, without anyone teaching > him. In some cultures (El Salvador hills) the kids' speech is ignored until > they're able to speak more than baby talk. And the kids still learn it. > > mu'o mie stevon I remember reading some article that made the point about even children not learning a language if they don't have to (it may have been that one); I think that the answer is that a child has to learn at least one language in order to far more clearly communicate its desires -- but a second langauge is a redundancy, unless for some reason there is someone significant in their lives that does not respond properly to the first language; an example of the would be a child who is taken care by a non-English- speaking nanny while their parents are at work, but their parents only speak English; however if the child learns that the nanny can speak English, the child will resist learning the second language -- well, perhaps not very early in learning language, but certainly by the time that the chuld is 4 or 5 years old. To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.