From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 29 14:05:26 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:05:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Msjt0-0001LK-Cy for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:05:26 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f179.google.com ([209.85.212.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Msjsv-0001L1-36 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:05:26 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so3613273vws.25 for ; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:05:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=0JafKXmEQSX0QfHQ5ftdyyWd9BC6wPYjBt4/LVIyH+c=; b=P9DNe8ct1e0E8FbH6mcdpJ6qpu4NY2dfrtj0hmQvrlNFW/2Evcr8REArifWC0EhHkM CZ/ddhOo2KhxWU8UeKTpn+kHQXy9MYFjoBF1zGcKw6bXJiPqahKtJQvzh9cZM3faoBlV kzqFI65jkb8JIamIkjZ87JHyjOugB9SDSWxIQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=rqBwz5UAVlWybmu+/rESdtibKM5fu4ICK8Vaywi+J0hpFTzpLsckt2173Cp35zjDN9 PnlLzeNtCot0MlvCm2CecRCNS8rtJyTdrzyWwZXfhK+IyqNC96Jb6fDAGc4ZbyDj6Ly7 dbqOIp8gdwmd/2vdBuah1XYARkbZMlTCvfMyI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.42.80 with SMTP id r16mr8724427vce.52.1254258314901; Tue, 29 Sep 2009 14:05:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <27513e550909282053x49e07c1cg7198b092799da748@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909290545w59f67bbbpd0fa6c4de6e29d4c@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909290754p18e133fbo5d3cb7049e05328f@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560909291319l47686682xec3336c60a4c6c90@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 17:05:14 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300909291405m18cf0776o41295324b372e2e3@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Translating "even" From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016364994e550fa720474bdc5f3 X-archive-position: 16271 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --0016364994e550fa720474bdc5f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess technically "extreme" means "the most that is possible" so technically you can't have varying degrees of "extreme"ness. But in day to day english people say things like "extreme cold". Does that mean that it'= s the coldest that it is physically possible to get? No, just that it's really really freaking cold. On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Ivo Doko wrote: > 2009/9/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > > "Even" only indicates an extreme case, not necessarily the most > > extreme of all. You can say "Even John likes this cake. Why, it's so > > good, even Jane likes it." This requires John to be an extreme case, > > but Jane to be an even more extreme case. > > > > Similarly: "She was not concerned. She was not even awake. As a matter > > of fact, she was not even alive." So it is usually possible to add > > even more extreme cases. > > > How can there be extreme and "more" extreme? It's either extreme or not > extreme. > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --0016364994e550fa720474bdc5f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I guess technically "extreme" means "the most that is possib= le" so technically you can't have varying degrees of "extreme= "ness.=A0 But in day to day english people say things like "extre= me cold".=A0 Does that mean that it's the coldest that it is physi= cally possible to get?=A0 No, just that it's really really freaking col= d.

On Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.co= m> wrote:
2009/9/29 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> "Even" only indicates an extreme cas= e, not necessarily the most
> extreme of all. You can say "Even John likes this cake. Why, it&#= 39;s so
> good, even Jane likes it." This requires John to be an extreme ca= se,
> but Jane to be an even more extreme case.
>
> Similarly: "She was not concerned. She was not even awake. As a m= atter
> of fact, she was not even alive." So it is usually possible to ad= d
> even more extreme cases.


How can there be extreme and "more" extreme? It's eithe= r extreme or not extreme.


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