From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Oct 06 06:04:40 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-list); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:04:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mv9iZ-0004HN-RB for lojban-list-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:04:40 -0700 Received: from mail-gx0-f226.google.com ([209.85.217.226]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mv9iT-0004Gi-Fw for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:04:39 -0700 Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26so3778176gxk.11 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:04:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=Obu6PkOd6np/b6PHbb0nKsAaYAJ4DKewnupteaEBLRU=; b=Sub1z5D1DPn1GTEDHjSWPCVc1XzjSyyRn/Li2ntIlaxhLM+L3UWcct5FHVBos0/dog BB9tIvUSxxh3kTPlALFJR0oYpsdDdkOcj8v2FSeb/WqH1hzEbZWAHEAg68UEsSPGiy5W Gje9HkqQfeBEwbFiruMEiiFZN5plg9Ob2O6bk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=jxvCUfL2wg1+4QE7okZaXIX4JSPq30vCfdQj3LqWWO9sQCOfnc6pBol893R07YeQOn dBUVP4iI2QlHfzqGYh2fwR9MgrA9U/GKd2VxauUzwLOmHpiGMlUlvC8bOGOcwKkdoFH2 J13qAV33+A9+piQFBwpkPGbtz3YBTq844Ru9o= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.100.9 with SMTP id x9mr2320463ybb.203.1254834267180; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 06:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 09:04:27 -0400 Message-ID: <5715b9300910060604i7f6d4439n1b0754efaecd1107@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban] selbri fa place and gadri question From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd252fabf4f58047543deb4 X-archive-position: 16305 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-list-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-list@lojban.org X-list: lojban-list --000e0cd252fabf4f58047543deb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have two questions. The first is: why MUST the x1 place (un-marked with se/fa) always be to the left of the selbri? What was the design decision that leads {nelci mi do} to mean "someone (unspecified) likes me having something to do with you" instead of the seemingly obvious "like, I do you" -> "I like you". My second question came about when I was trying to think of how one might word my first question in lojban. I quickly realized that I needed a gadri that gets at the defining form of a word. So I wanted to say {ma lo krinu lo nu __ selbri cu se smuni ...} where the "__" is some gadri which means "that x which defines what is a(n) x". So maybe another way to think about it would be, how would you say "lions are animals". Am I saying "the typical"? Not really, because all lions by definition are animals. It's not quite {ro da} either because I'm not talking about "all lions" but about "that quintessential lion (theoretical) which defines how lion-y a real world thing is". - pafcribe --000e0cd252fabf4f58047543deb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have two questions.=A0 The first is: why MUST the x1 place (un-marked wit= h se/fa) always be to the left of the selbri?=A0 What was the design decisi= on that leads {nelci mi do} to mean "someone (unspecified) likes me ha= ving something to do with you" instead of the seemingly obvious "= like, I do you" -> "I like you".

My second question came about when I was trying to think of how one mig= ht word my first question in lojban.=A0 I quickly realized that I needed a = gadri that gets at the defining form of a word.=A0 So I wanted to say {ma l= o krinu lo nu __ selbri cu se smuni ...} where the "__" is some g= adri which means "that x which defines what is a(n) x".=A0 So may= be another way to think about it would be, how would you say "lions ar= e animals".=A0 Am I saying "the typical"?=A0 Not really, bec= ause all lions by definition are animals.=A0 It's not quite {ro da} eit= her because I'm not talking about "all lions" but about "= ;that quintessential lion (theoretical) which defines how lion-y a real wor= ld thing is".

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