From Thirderivative@aol.com Thu Dec 03 11:41:27 2009 Received: from imr-ma03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.41]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGHYH-0002v2-Hu for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:41:26 -0800 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nB3Jf0tb007962 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:41:00 -0500 Received: from Thirderivative@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id d.c32.667c51f1 (37074) for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:40:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.97]) by cia-db05.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB058-d3c74b181443313; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:40:56 -0500 Received: from webmail-m045 (webmail-m045.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.228]) by smtprly-mc01.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMC011-d3c74b181443313; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:40:51 -0500 References: <8CC41AF704BAC7D-5C80-CC63@webmail-d022.sysops.aol.com> <5715b9300912021606u56f13b84q720a45f0a9a59315@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300912021634q4b44aa1frd66a8076db2cddbb@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912021801i1c49b525v757c036a3a6027b0@mail.gmail.com> To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: LFB print Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:40:51 -0500 X-AOL-IP: 128.187.0.164 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Seth X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CC4267A7B82BB0_66DC_16026_webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 29644-STANDARD Received: from 128.187.0.164 by webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.228) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:40:51 -0500 Message-Id: <8CC4267A77CA950-66DC-AD2F@webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Thirderivative@aol.com ----------MB_8CC4267A7B82BB0_66DC_16026_webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" the book will in all likelihood just be something for me to use as a prin= ted resource that is more friendly to use and carry than the 25 page small= type dictionary file or something similar. nothing official at all. =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-list@lojban.org Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:16 pm Subject: [lojban] Re: LFB print The book would have to be called an unofficial dictionary, or just a wordlist. Most Lojbanists, I included, have wanted a dictionary for a long time. The roadblock is that many of the rare and obscure cmavo are still being worked on by the BPFK. In fact, even the most common words in the language, "le" and "lo", have split between the formal rules and the actual usage, a set of improvements named "xorlo". However, that still leaves a vast amount of the language that is uncontroversial and unlikely to change. If a book containing such a list had "unofficial" right in the title, and it was understood that the LLG does not put its stamp of approval on it, it might be possible. I would love that. -Eppcott On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Oren wrote: > Lulu looks cool-- whats stopping LLG from doing something there? If we= need > donations, I'll pitch in! I want a dictionary too (with example sentence= s of > course, otherwise the book would be far to small!)! > > BTW, I took the initiative and put smaller versions of the JPGs on my > server, visible here: > > http://newpine.net/rsc/dl/lojban/sethLFBprint > > (Seth- I'm assuming they're like, creative commons usage or whatever, > otherwise I'll take them down. Also-- I like how, for scale, you chose= to > compare the book cover to religious material, not only giving clear cont= rast > to physical dimensions, but also clear contrast between ambiguous and > unambiguous sets of vocabulary.) > > mu'o mi'e ku'us > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 08:34, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >> I forgot to mention, I've really been looking forward to getting a prin= ted >> dictionary. Good luck with it. I hope we/you get one published soon. >> >> If such a dictionary is not going to contain lujvo would it make sense= for >> it to be an english-> lojban AND lojban->english since there will proba= bly >> be extra room? >> >> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Luke Bergen wro= te: >>> >>> Indeed, nice work. And yeah that's what photobucket and friends are >>> for. Although it didn't give me a problem. I didn't think many peopl= e had >>> dial-up any more. Gmail loaded the messages in a couple of seconds as >>> thumbnails. >>> >>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Matt Arnold >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Seth, >>>> >>>> Setting aside the issue of emailing photos at unnecessarily-high >>>> resolution, that is a nice-looking book. Thank you for using my >>>> graphic for the cover, and thank you for showing it. >>>> >>>> -Eppcott >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Seth wrote: >>>> > Just thought i would show off my brand new hot off the press copy= of >>>> > Lojban >>>> > for Beginners, which i printed here on BYU campus for around 20 buc= ks. >>>> > It >>>> > just might be the first bound copy of the book. Tell me what you >>>> > think. I >>>> > also designed the cover using epcott's brilliant flag. The dvd in= one >>>> > of the >>>> > pics is to show the relative size of the book. It is about an inch >>>> > thick. >>>> > >>>> > within the next month, i plan on finishing the first bound >>>> > lojban-english >>>> > dictionary. The standard wordlists are the focus for this pocket >>>> > dictionary, >>>> > so I will not be including any lujvo, as they are not a finite set, >>>> > and can >>>> > be recreated from the basic wordlists. Any recommendations for the >>>> > design of >>>> > this? Any recommendations on the title? >>>> > >>>> > seryf >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/,= or >>>> if >>>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >>>> >>> >> > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.org with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. =20 ----------MB_8CC4267A7B82BB0_66DC_16026_webmail-m045.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
the boo= k will in all likelihood just be something for me to use as a printed reso= urce that is more friendly to use and carry than the 25 page small type di= ctionary file or something similar. nothing official at all.=


-----Ori= ginal Message-----
From: Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
To: lojban-list@lojban.org
Sent: Wed, Dec 2, 2009 7:16 pm
Subject: [lojban] Re: LFB print

The book would have to be called an uno=
fficial dictionary, or just a
wordlist. Most Lojbanists, I included, have wanted a dictionary for a
long time. The roadblock is that many of the rare and obscure cmavo
are still being worked on by the BPFK. In fact, even the most common
words in the language, "le" and "lo", have split between the formal
rules and the actual usage, a set of improvements named "xorlo".

However, that still leaves a vast amount of the language that is
uncontroversial and unlikely to change. If a book containing such a
list had "unofficial" right in the title, and it was understood that
the LLG does not put its stamp of approval on it, it might be
possible. I would love that.

-Eppcott


On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lulu looks cool-- whats stopping LLG from doing something there? If= we need
> donations, I'll pitch in! I want a dictionary too (with example sente= nces of
> course, otherwise the book would be far to small!)!
>
> BTW, I took the initiative and put smaller versions of the JPGs on my=
> server, visible here:
>
> http://newpine.net/rsc/dl/lojban/sethLFBprint
>
> (Seth- I'm assuming they're like, creative commons usage or whatever,=
> otherwise I'll take them down. Also-- I like how, for scale, you chos= e to
> compare the book cover to religious material, not only giving clear= contrast
> to physical dimensions, but also clear contrast between ambiguous and=
> unambiguous sets of vocabulary.)
>
> mu'o mi'e ku'us
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 08:34, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I forgot to mention, I've really been looking forward to getting= a printed
>> dictionary.  Good luck with it.  I hope we/you get one= published soon.
>>
>> If such a dictionary is not going to contain lujvo would it make= sense for
>> it to be an english-> lojban AND lojban->english since ther= e will probably
>> be extra room?
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:06 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Indeed, nice work.  And yeah that's what photobucket and= friends are
>>> for.  Although it didn't give me a problem.  I didn= 't think many people had
>>> dial-up any more.  Gmail loaded the messages in a couple= of seconds as
>>> thumbnails.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Seth,
>>>>
>>>> Setting aside the issue of emailing photos at unnecessari= ly-high
>>>> resolution, that is a nice-looking book. Thank you for us= ing my
>>>> graphic for the cover, and thank you for showing it.
>>>>
>>>> -Eppcott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:42 PM, Seth <thirderivative@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> >  Just thought i would show off my brand new hot= off the press copy of
>>>> > Lojban
>>>> > for Beginners, which i printed here on BYU campus fo= r around 20 bucks.
>>>> > It
>>>> > just might be the first bound copy of the book. Tell= me what you
>>>> > think. I
>>>> > also designed the cover using epcott's brilliant fla= g. The dvd in one
>>>> > of the
>>>> > pics is to show the relative size of the book. It is= about an inch
>>>> > thick.
>>>> >
>>>> > within the next month, i plan on finishing the first= bound
>>>> > lojban-english
>>>> > dictionary. The standard wordlists are the focus for= this pocket
>>>> > dictionary,
>>>> > so I will not be including any lujvo, as they are no= t a finite set,
>>>> > and can
>>>> > be recreated from the basic wordlists. Any recommend= ations for the
>>>> > design of
>>>> > this? Any recommendations on the title?
>>>> >
>>>> > seryf
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to
>>>> lojban-= list-request@lojban.org
>>>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/,= or
>>>> if
>>>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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