From dbrockman@gmail.com Thu Dec 03 14:28:01 2009 Received: from mail-fx0-f217.google.com ([209.85.220.217]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGK9T-000060-98 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:28:00 -0800 Received: by fxm9 with SMTP id 9so1882231fxm.10 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:27:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=h0QlQYwNrrj28HLRu1CWv1xrhdrcaT1PY1sGnbWt8Ik=; b=wwvpjfcGvedDzoyCbccz37Y0pQh0B/fYd4LWFN9A2nreKDg2UkxDrFzEf7yo/iXQeP yCvwtcT6FSm65xLs3c3UE4h4F8mGrcT9hnXZwVP+NRZXJvqjy1/4HSeYZSffcWZxszc0 7v82fKEzkQOoJQpumOf5w8RB/Fc/U18a5gAA8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ms/O5UL2oIXkIwJKG3Owk2/cvzFqOVnrwEf9A6hBsm7p5QCHCO5PaMScY8MUPUuJWj l7RQNWfchTgmPt/bldIsz45E0yAW4txE8BwElIhK14HvXezVtbZDZs6Hq6crlS/oXrBg 7oIgsvDy8Hp6HZlFqlNQAHzoAUbb3FyaM8mgY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.126.36 with SMTP id d36mr737631mun.104.1259879266288; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:27:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560912031351u371119c8nce6329be6fd90728@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17560912031025v756adb41x909ab4dc11f28fe@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912031351u371119c8nce6329be6fd90728@mail.gmail.com> From: Daniel Brockman Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 23:27:26 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: what's a du'u? To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2009/12/3 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : > On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Daniel Brockman wro= te: >> 2009/12/3 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas : >>> >>> See also: >>> http://www.wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9511/msg00557.html >> >> That is very interesting. =C2=A0Do you support the bridi1 =3D su'u1 posi= tion? > > Yes. Either that, or accept that "bridi" has two meanings, the second > one being the purely syntactical one "x1 (text) is a bridi consisting > of a selbri x2 (text) inserted among sequence of sumti x3 (each of > which is a text)". Something like this is what "bridi" is used for in > English when discussing Lojban syntax. Interesting alternative. I hadn't even thought of that possibility. Assuming that we do want separate terms, though, and that we want {bridi} to be about the predication rather than the text, --- do you have any thoughts or opinions about how we could, would, or should refer to the parts of speech? I sketched up a kind of ad-hoc system based on -pau --- any comments on that? > The mixed version, where x1 is a text but has arguments x3 that are > not text doesn't really make a lot of sense. Agreed. > Many of the other Lojban grammar words have similar problems too. Hmm, {sumti} has a very analoguous problem. The gimste says (even more explicitly than in the case of {bridi}) that sumti1 and sumti2 are both text. Would you prefer sumti1 to be lo cmima be bridi3 and sumti2 to be bridi2? I would, I think (for symmetry with {bridi}, if nothing else). On the other hand, the word words --- like {gismu}, {cmavo}, {lujvo}, etc. --- don't really have this problem. At least not to this severe degree. What other grammar words do we have? --=20 Daniel Brockman daniel@brockman.se