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Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [jbovlaste] malranxi
From: Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
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2009/12/2 Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Daniel Brockman <daniel@brockman.se> wrot=
e:
>>
>>> ranxi: r1 is ironic(al)/contrary to expectation r2 in state/property/as=
pect r3.
>>
>> I think {ranxi} is about, e.g., a diabetic being run over by a truck
>> of insulin --- not so much about saying the opposite of what you mean.
>
> So:
> r1: a diabetic is run over by a truck of insulin
> r2: insulin is beneficial to diabetics
> r3: tragic
>
> Would that be right? Other kinds of x3 in different situations might
> be "funny" or "poetic justice".
> No idea what a state in x3 would mean though.


  That's not the way I read it, no. x3 is a state/aspect/property of
x1 that contrary to expectation x2. "tragedy" would be a property of
x1 yes, but it's not what's contrary about it.  I'd say ranxi is more
like:
lo flira be do  xanri lo si'o(/du'u?)  ro jbopre cu melbi kei lo za'i tolml=
e
(no offense, Xorxes.  I've never seen you, actually)
            --gejyspa