From frankdmartinez@gmail.com Fri Dec 04 08:43:14 2009 Received: from mail-px0-f201.google.com ([209.85.216.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGbFL-0001uw-V8 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:43:11 -0800 Received: by pxi39 with SMTP id 39so519231pxi.2 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:43:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=E9/OGXbTXJylqSePfIN4e0l1GbzyAVLfA+6Yc7WyezE=; b=HlsY7rG/uxoE9DRx6fMnH7kJVyipfIiFkS8nyOxa2dEZqSDdnyVOXAhjpH7ZmXGhB0 0U21XAbtUtDOLQOPeOxbVkTxJIxDv6x9dxA5j0624zOM23JF6q3bMTQMyMnCggp+hXwO IQ5lImfpWaPViNY9ecvffftaDZnm4sFNZa26g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=rbYAWvL0TGxEWaJGsB9QPFI59oumbzYIRHcfacD9QADH+xXh+x6uz7U0CEmRV2jyTq xqGch570F/BxoV51JAXmv73Z4I+0+NiwaPTy1zaZVl6Cs5X/pBuozn3Ymh6JipnIrpPb mDD0Y/6kb6cnHn1s1TOchiVehLadLFL3N7UYk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.250.38 with SMTP id x38mr399675wfh.179.1259944981147; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:43:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <8a20e9f70912040827l709b368ch1a8927e59a277032@mail.gmail.com> References: <40b71af30912040816p519f8583q1e5a62879ab08906@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f70912040827l709b368ch1a8927e59a277032@mail.gmail.com> From: Frank Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:42:41 -0500 Message-ID: <40b71af30912040842s2e30294m3183de24877f4555@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: fi'e or fi'i or other? To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636ed62f909b29c0479e9cdf9 --001636ed62f909b29c0479e9cdf9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 doi .kribacr. .i ki'e I suppose this is what I get for not finishing the reading of LFB. ;-) mi'e xuinkrbin. 2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff > coi .xuinkrbin. > > {rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact any > cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely > based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are > intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal > of the same word, it's a happy coincidence. > > {fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is definitely the > vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just that - a rafsi > of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something like {sutra} - > {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to make something up on the > spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi'e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e > - barda finpe, large fish. > > In short: > > {fi'i do} - welcome to you! > {.i ti zdani fi'e do} - this is a house created by you > {.i mi sutfi'i} - i make things up on the spot > {.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish > > Rafsi and modals are separate things. > > mi'e .kribacr. mu'o > > > On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank wrote: > >> coi rodo >> I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st >> place (creator) created by ...". However, fi'e is also a rafsi for finpe. >> Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi'i, the rafsi of finti? >> If so, what of the fact the file states fi'i is a vocative indicative of >> hospitality/inhospitality? >> >> mi'e xuinkrbin. >> > > --001636ed62f909b29c0479e9cdf9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable doi .kribacr. =A0.i ki'e

I suppose this is what I ge= t for not finishing the reading of LFB. =A0;-)

mi&= #39;e xuinkrbin.

2009/12/4 Jameson Orndor= ff <jtorndorff= @gmail.com>
coi .xuinkrbin.

{rafsi} and modals a= re -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact any cmavo) loosely base= d on the structure of a word are just that - loosely based on the structure= of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are intended to be used as t= he building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal of the same word, it&#= 39;s a happy coincidence.

{fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is defin= itely the vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just= that - a rafsi of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something lik= e {sutra} - {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to mak= e something up on the spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi&= #39;e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e - barda finpe, large fish= .

In short:

{fi'i do} - welcome to you!
{.i ti zdani fi'= ;e do} - this is a house created by you
{.i mi sutfi'i} - i make thi= ngs up on the spot
{.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish
=
Rafsi and modals are separate things.

mi'e .kribacr. mu'o


On Fri, D= ec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo
=A0=A0 =A0= I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st = place (creator) created by ...". =A0However, fi'e is also a rafsi = for finpe. =A0Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi&#= 39;i, the rafsi of finti? =A0If so, what of the fact the file states fi'= ;i is a vocative indicative of hospitality/inhospitality?

mi'e xuinkrbin.


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