From jtorndorff@gmail.com Fri Dec 04 08:55:27 2009 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGbRC-0003XV-FF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:55:27 -0800 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so627360eyh.36 for ; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:55:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cIqOvyRfxThZby5jEYdy8VQ237FUzID+4kKQV7qU1i4=; b=ZHJmuiYIIoHiCuGpFg+XRf9JWaXHb1gGF1L8xx3aKlsLxZ2SC1bLogpMFCssFRBZw5 Td1m1Z/dCWAjPnWHhhIdZVq3Ky87y5XopQ55iS6tnh796/+tERjSsRXx9g4K4kGzL+Qo fObZfCbPf/JkszAB9XKqA27yc3R66adNSAljE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=LcO8N64RaeW3nPDD7QZO6WJw9javLQwUq9xrFha4I5FiaNB1SdqEN5r6JQ7jCWgd1I itO7VpibrVwmPEnvRodvCXgf0Iyp8gkby669J9hbwefndVf0Jtg7Jbyb6UHFVeZQadAj gAWAfBe6Gi5TmJqyYvfzNuhzgPfK6V2irEGY0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.23.207 with SMTP id s15mr3462538ebb.57.1259945720500; Fri, 04 Dec 2009 08:55:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <40b71af30912040842s2e30294m3183de24877f4555@mail.gmail.com> References: <40b71af30912040816p519f8583q1e5a62879ab08906@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f70912040827l709b368ch1a8927e59a277032@mail.gmail.com> <40b71af30912040842s2e30294m3183de24877f4555@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 11:55:20 -0500 Message-ID: <8a20e9f70912040855n2423304bi434907c0b88e224a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: fi'e or fi'i or other? From: Jameson Orndorff To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cdfcdd61b55250479e9f9de --000e0cdfcdd61b55250479e9f9de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 .i je'e .i xu do ka'e pilno la'oi IRC .i lo nu go'i ku se stidi mi .i ta'o lo cmene be do cu simsa la .fanki,uinkrbin. xu On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Frank wrote: > doi .kribacr. .i ki'e > > I suppose this is what I get for not finishing the reading of LFB. ;-) > > mi'e xuinkrbin. > > 2009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff > > coi .xuinkrbin. >> >> {rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fact >> any cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loosely >> based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list are >> intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a modal >> of the same word, it's a happy coincidence. >> >> {fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is definitely the >> vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just that - a rafsi >> of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something like {sutra} - >> {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to make something up on the >> spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi'e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e >> - barda finpe, large fish. >> >> In short: >> >> {fi'i do} - welcome to you! >> {.i ti zdani fi'e do} - this is a house created by you >> {.i mi sutfi'i} - i make things up on the spot >> {.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish >> >> Rafsi and modals are separate things. >> >> mi'e .kribacr. mu'o >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:16 AM, Frank wrote: >> >>> coi rodo >>> I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti modal, 1st >>> place (creator) created by ...". However, fi'e is also a rafsi for finpe. >>> Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer to fi'i, the rafsi of finti? >>> If so, what of the fact the file states fi'i is a vocative indicative of >>> hospitality/inhospitality? >>> >>> mi'e xuinkrbin. >>> >> >> > --000e0cdfcdd61b55250479e9f9de Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable .i je'e .i xu do ka'e pilno la'oi IRC .i lo nu go'i ku se s= tidi mi
.i ta'o lo cmene be do cu simsa la .fanki,uinkrbin. xu
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@= gmail.com> wrote:
doi .kribacr. =A0= .i ki'e

I suppose this is what I get for not finishi= ng the reading of LFB. =A0;-)

mi'e xuinkrbin.

2= 009/12/4 Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com>

coi .xuinkrbin.
{rafsi} and modals are -entirely- different things. Modals (and in fa= ct any cmavo) loosely based on the structure of a word are just that - loos= ely based on the structure of a word. The rafsi listed in the gismu list ar= e intended to be used as the building blocks for lujvo. If they mirror a mo= dal of the same word, it's a happy coincidence.

{fi'e} is definitely the modal for {finti}, and {fi'i} is defin= itely the vocative for hospitality. The rafsi {fi'i} of {finti} is just= that - a rafsi of {finti}. You could maybe make a lujvo with something lik= e {sutra} - {sutfi'i} is in jbovlaste I think and it means "to mak= e something up on the spot". Likewise you might make a lujvo with {fi&= #39;e}, the rafsi for {finpe} - brafi'e - barda finpe, large fish= .

In short:

{fi'i do} - welcome to you!
{.i ti zdani fi'= ;e do} - this is a house created by you
{.i mi sutfi'i} - i make thi= ngs up on the spot
{.i ta brafi'e} - that is a large-fish
=
Rafsi and modals are separate things.

mi'e .kribacr. mu'o


On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at= 11:16 AM, Frank <frankdmartinez@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo
=A0= =A0 =A0I noticed the xml from jbovlaste states fi'e is "finti moda= l, 1st place (creator) created by ...". =A0However, fi'e is also a= rafsi for finpe. =A0Should the "finti modal ..." actually refer = to fi'i, the rafsi of finti? =A0If so, what of the fact the file states= fi'i is a vocative indicative of hospitality/inhospitality?

mi'e xuinkrbin.



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