From jjllambias@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 10:18:45 2009 Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com ([209.85.211.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLhPV-0006P5-GA for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:18:44 -0800 Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so4061221ywh.2 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:18:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GOFpZcHHy3xVukwTuJpWIuVW4y39W/izHpXWI4Osg2I=; b=tMMZApp0PMjSRmXmeirDMUJpDQhD7F6fVAecr5FReDO+ysho9AFM0GrWnaJxzZ2c3W IQ++G2Y82LiZMYgt4WINw6oVGJV+KIfsBtIqPUdwtP+0l6BZ0sv9LlykhQ7h5llW/VNG Owcdf+nbfpQT+BARiTGIL6ncfcGNS428ImVEY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=FphlLnnrtxej86q3JxHya2w/KKcENCfzB5VTtbPa+lz4TI2dHQ/AvFZ8gUOqwWTni2 53yNOojE7e8+NaiR+nf8L16ez99EkvS2OrHEeMZW3xV+5oWYD8tfewHNPtki6Yf66DDG Oi9j3FBIaxq0yNclpYWNB46LaZ3MMgLBixvVk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.231.10 with SMTP id d10mr1464248agh.61.1261160315229; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:18:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <27513e550912180636i2a4e0002jbbd587bfd0e628e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9300912171323y6c5a659dy22db9f86144402be@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300912180600h37d7d855v60f915f1cd2dae2c@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912180636i2a4e0002jbbd587bfd0e628e0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:18:35 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560912181018m278687bdqc5242f7aa1734944@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: tense question From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2009/12/18 Oren : > {mi nelci do ca lo nu do nelci mi}. > > How can we reverse the parts before and after {ca} here? > Then it could align with the Chinese structure: > > =C4=E3=CF=B2=BB=B6=CE=D2=CA=B1=A3=AC=CE=D2=CF=B2=BB=B6=C4=E3 > n=A8=AA x=A8=ABhu=A8=A1n w=A8=AF sh=A8=AA, w=A8=AE x=A8=ABhu=A8=A1n n=A8= =AB > {do nelci mi mi nelci do } Some possibilities: (1) ca lo nu do nelci mi kei mi nelci do (2) lo nu do nelci mi zo'u ca ku mi nelci do (3) do nelci mi .i ca bo mi nelci do (1) is the closest in meaning, but you need to put "ca" in front of the subordinate clause. (2) has a slightly different structure, with the subordinate clause as a topic. (3) is the least wordy and superficially the most similar, but there is no longer a subordinate clause, the reference clause is now at the same level as the other clause. mu'o mi'e xorxes