From eyeonus@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 14:16:25 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLl7V-0006wP-3p for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:16:24 -0800 Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so3962489ewy.26 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:16:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=/p9DAR8DyqMinNSzOLDfePL7yKn9FhIqDwvElYzwxAU=; b=wCSp3yegCG9ZAEC83UC5FekzxS8qTNa3AQiS1OkGa/b74Qg+N/sZeBHV1fta9EFH/p 1yJTgZ0abEyPkIR0zlr+8elIdQYeLeUFQjKPQB3l1YcBiK/dMYN/SXZ0li/0VcJ8BTs2 K1RCPUSKNICyCiHrTLG8LwKO30GXrGGoZxi3c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ZeQ7TP4sHAeLJr3QojyoVHOkZQkVZ8e+9zlCGL2Bt853vjztESBkB/JVFa8f+fTORB dPw5Tfomc7Dfk3iuMKULTAigvdsKCkbk4wFtV8VYYjDjy92KNXAgdscAoCUNBKhVDagb Mj7N9rlxcLuTWBuWMkmj4bYqUw1WnPko+8g58= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.67 with SMTP id v45mr1595835wee.70.1261174574238; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:16:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17560912181357y2ba48da3rf9190d51c3ed9690@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a20e9f70912181024t29e56190u762c85c8373e0c6a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912181211o485199adj246be26f7ce5e368@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f70912181227j40b5b65didcef9b757ce87df0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912181357y2ba48da3rf9190d51c3ed9690@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 16:16:14 -0600 Message-ID: <702226df0912181416v5323abcci20104a62020f702c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The New Method From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db2b1c7f4b17047b08161b --0016e6db2b1c7f4b17047b08161b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm guessing that the wave isn't public, seeing as I'm incapable of doing anything on it. The things which I wished to say are: Pronunciation is spelled incorrectly as Pron*o*unciation in Lesson 1. Another way to say "I live in a red, French-style house": xunre fraso zdani mi 2009/12/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Jameson Orndorff > wrote: > > Also a side note - I've heard that Wave works better in > > (surprise surprise) Google Chrome, if you can try that. > > I am using Chrome actually, and I didn't notice any problems with > response times that others talk about for other browsers, but the way > the arrows work is the same ugly in Chrome. > > > > In > > practice, this has pretty much been a non issue - negation and tags > > are taught later, and they are described as being on the outside of > > the "whole selbri" if you can kinda catch my drift. I wasn't able to > > completely describe my style in the original post. I assure you I'm > > doing the best to address the issue. > > OK. Arguments can be made both ways as to what is better. Since you > can say things like "lo ca klama", if "ca" is not part of the selbri > you have to specify that it's not just a selbri that can be converted > into a sumti with "lo", but a selbri plus its tag. > > I don't expect this to be much of a problem in informal teaching, but > when you write it down more formally you have to consider that it may > end up being used as a reference work in the future, so it's better to > keep things as consistent as possible. > > > > I really haven't had a problem justifying its existence - though I do > > admit I have to rely on the tried and true "Just accept that it's > > there" argument to get it into people's heads. > > In the wave there is a comment: > > I don=92t see why we need the {be} yet > > which is unanswered. When I tried to think of an answer, I realized > that in fact we *don't* need it, except to make "ku" more elidable. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6db2b1c7f4b17047b08161b Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm guessing that the wave isn't public, seeing as I'm incapabl= e of doing anything on it. The things which I wished to say are:

Pro= nunciation is spelled incorrectly as Pronounciation in Lesson= 1.

Another way to say "I live in a red, French-style house":

xunre fraso zdani mi

2009/12/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Jameson Orndorff <jtorndorff@gmail.com> wrote: > Also a side note - I've heard that Wave works better in
> (surprise surprise) Google Chrome, if you can try that.

I am using Chrome actually, and I didn't notice any problems with=
response times that others talk about for other browsers, but the way
the arrows work is the same ugly in Chrome.


> =A0In
> practice, this has pretty much been a non issue - negation and tags > are taught later, and they are described as being on the outside of > the "whole selbri" if you can kinda catch my drift. I wasn&#= 39;t able to
> completely describe my style in the original post. I assure you I'= m
> doing the best to address the issue.

OK. =A0Arguments can be made both ways as to what is better. Since yo= u
can say things like "lo ca klama", if "ca" is not part = of the selbri
you have to specify that it's not just a selbri that can be converted into a sumti with "lo", but a selbri plus its tag.

I don't expect this to be much of a problem in informal teaching, but when you write it down more formally you have to consider that it may
end up being used as a reference work in the future, so it's better to<= br> keep things as consistent as possible.


> I really haven't had a problem justifying its existence - though I= do
> admit I have to rely on the tried and true "Just accept that it&#= 39;s
> there" argument to get it into people's heads.

In the wave there is a comment:

<Suprano> I don=92t see why we need the {be} yet

which is unanswered. When I tried to think of an answer, I realized
that in fact we *don't* need it, except to make "ku" more eli= dable.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


To unsubscribe from this list, send= mail to lojban-list-requ= est@lojban.org
with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help.




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