From jjllambias@gmail.com Fri Dec 18 14:23:19 2009 Received: from mail-yw0-f187.google.com ([209.85.211.187]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLlEC-0008PW-4f for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:23:19 -0800 Received: by ywh17 with SMTP id 17so4318661ywh.2 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:23:10 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Lfz5NCsk9tS+FOy4wOWFK3KHGZGL+M95191QvCpde1s=; b=X/cDeNwe8kY82D3JxToR56LOyTjcUDmLqZ7H0Zc/ivRxgOIe13W7twDsENlccRtqAs G4s6v7RE4AK9+1R4r5TGbpM7qpnDQs3KuKE/MRsm1FKxog3ye9UdMp6YGO1KefXmB5ms g8SCdds/docg8bVB8ZqNXTXl+pBbjdYa3HfHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=veN6Rc8YPVoqootgGlpomz5cggRwct7/aYmf0sZS8bqYgheFUYQTV1XIiPNsT1Vmme +8vumfxzcqJPdK8A4szk36GyHK+v0CADFfosM5MWE+OHaiYori9qSdffQ03yzV9ua3UD ZUMnt4y1pKPOqNllET+sxXDUDBt3y1aOVDwaM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.18.39 with SMTP id v39mr4894117agi.66.1261174989516; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 14:23:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5715b9300912181403w564ec927xa5eef2755878dcb4@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a20e9f70912181024t29e56190u762c85c8373e0c6a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912181211o485199adj246be26f7ce5e368@mail.gmail.com> <8a20e9f70912181227j40b5b65didcef9b757ce87df0@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560912181357y2ba48da3rf9190d51c3ed9690@mail.gmail.com> <5715b9300912181403w564ec927xa5eef2755878dcb4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:23:09 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17560912181423l10e3a509m528c603a93c9c654@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: The New Method From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > What do you mean "we don't need it"? =A0How else would you say {mi klama = be lo > zarci be'o djica fi lo nu cpacu lo nanba}? =A0Here is a selbri which is a > tanru made up of two gismu each of which need stuff put into their x2 pla= ce. > =A0How can that be done without {be}? IF "ku" were not elidable, then we would not need the be-bei-be'o construct= ion. In that case, we would say: "mi klama lo zarci ku djica" and "lo zarci ku" would fill the x2 of klama without any need for "be", and "klama lo zarci ku" would form a tanru with "djica". That's not grammatical with the current grammar, but the reason is so "ku" is elidable most of the time. mu'o mi'e xorxes