From eyeonus@gmail.com Sat Dec 26 05:54:49 2009 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.144]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NOX6P-0004nT-TL for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:54:47 -0800 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 3so2152936eyh.36 for ; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:54:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=RwB8SMtskoaQhEycy2g0OyXFoXdJc/rjSSYfvLxUjuE=; b=HhItMAJ8lB+FFu2g9saoQKs+dnrigXahfBttJ0sDdZYe39sCrGgI1MLcxTvRmMzXF4 N3p8X+5pkWBUgSAX31WFvdI7cbWtFCPifKiiJMHrJp1S6X+B/kjbPvD0djctJE854pJ3 2+0N3Pn3t5URc8vh1dSqquem8unn7xkMh074Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qjtpmChgQDK621Yff+FCxCoukRFqtPzXdlKDwTVjrDkRqxC7Nx/h1l3IjarBvm7FQ8 zvn9kqN5B6g3cIHOmb0+CT8S4UYJeB4NatEDlmOlSdWEufH8CmcG5C13ojJ/sC/69SYC F4E8ZGY5EruH9t8L11XOA3OBgLhUm5fEjdXyQ= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.141 with SMTP id e13mr2456905wef.166.1261835678939; Sat, 26 Dec 2009 05:54:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df0912242259l1d2b21c3safe6b3b906f0dc2c@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df0912031545r6cd4c3b3q49f773eb306ad17d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912151319p3f3b8a80m99739f4dd7d3b8c@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912151712k705b63b7mff8686e08ff776d5@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912161222i4caac5b0y96e2602a837de702@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912241659k43eeb48am63f78bec141a9792@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912241711x6173e6f9uf8957c104823007d@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b950912241917q55f18a2ft2ea9eae6a42aeaa9@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912241931r25fb98bbq527b30322dc3ebe6@mail.gmail.com> <27513e550912241946o5b7fbb74x828d18f90ec2648b@mail.gmail.com> <702226df0912242259l1d2b21c3safe6b3b906f0dc2c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 07:54:38 +1800 Message-ID: <702226df0912260554g2b73352ey7e71ea4ae92eba35@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Smart.fm and Lojban From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db2d816878e6047ba203e3 --0016e6db2d816878e6047ba203e3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 coi.ku'us mi krici le du'u do ba nelci.a'o kei lo mi.o'a cnino mekso vau.ui On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of > transmission". > > But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are bridi > variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a set > structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gismu > can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places. > > > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren wrote: > >> I think you just swap the first and xth place >> >> { x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 } >> { x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 } >> { x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 } >> { x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 } >> { x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 } >> >> ::looks for reference:: >> >> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones >> wrote: >> > Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list: >> > >> > broda predicate var 1 1st assignable >> > variable predicate (context determines place structure) >> > >> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle >> wrote: >> >> >> >> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are variable"? >> >> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves. >> >> >> >> stevo >> >> >> >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >> eyeonus@gmail.com> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some >> >>> questions about them. >> >>> >> >>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda.... >> >>> >> >>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or >> somewhere >> >>> in between? >> >>> >> >>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for all >> >>> five? >> >>> >> >>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and to >> >>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the >> place >> >>> structures of these gismu are variable. >> >>> >> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >> eyeonus@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from >> anyone >> >>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still >> working on >> >>>> this? >> >>>> >> >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >> eyeonus@gmail.com> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show >> up. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >> eyeonus@gmail.com> >> >>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're >> the >> >>>>>>> only person that can. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you >> >>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the >> new one-- >> >>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones >> I'm trying >> >>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find >> 'delete' >> >>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It >> takes about a >> >>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' >> options >> >>>>>> don't load whatsoever. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> fe'o >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>>> >> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >>> >> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> > >> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> > >> > >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6db2d816878e6047ba203e3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable coi.ku'us mi krici le du'u do ba nelci.a'o kei lo mi.o'a cn= ino mekso vau.ui

On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at = 12:59 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
That's how th= e SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of tran= smission".

But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are brid= i variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a s= et structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gi= smu can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places.


On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren <get= .oren@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you just swap the first and xth place

{ x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 }
{ x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 }
{ x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 }

::looks for reference::

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:
> Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:=
>
> broda=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 predicate var 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1st assignable > variable predicate (context determines place structure)
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are = variable"?
>> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>>
>> stevo
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <= ;eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I = have some
>>> questions about them.
>>>
>>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se bro= da....
>>>
>>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or= somewhere
>>> in between?
>>>
>>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry= for all
>>> five?
>>>
>>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each= , and to
>>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that= the place
>>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones= <eyeonus@gmail.c= om>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I hav= en't heard from anyone
>>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself = still working on
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" J= ones <eyeonus@gma= il.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although i= t doesn't always show up.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat&q= uot; Jones <eyeon= us@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entrie= s you made, as you're the
>>>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'e= dit' on a card you
>>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives y= ou ownership of the new one--
>>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items,= not alter the ones I'm trying
>>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank= -- I can't find 'delete'
>>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is = too slow? It takes about a
>>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the '= order by' and 'show' options
>>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fe'o
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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