From eyeonus@gmail.com Mon Dec 28 13:43:28 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f224.google.com ([209.85.219.224]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NPNN5-0001YV-34 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:43:27 -0800 Received: by ewy24 with SMTP id 24so12391993ewy.26 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:43:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=erhaSXK2LayIfg69tSPUX6eoC/mRfr5u54T421QWl8A=; b=JhecnQ4bc2cb4J81E/utcOMPQe6D+Rn42PxMH2uOeS1Sf4+hmmJZaJ7LvKXIBcM5f8 OkoIiEKlow6t3Q/wfQhxJ4+fnpljVkoqFkRmpnA8uowD4yaBmT2UoA02H4x7n94iadDv KhRG9dyYqhuOBHxQ8qP/yGaLwmfm8iH3rgPbg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=cO+w4qv80RnXTkjGTY5L98qSDgw2wwjGwXstJW63Q3K4hkFHJ+h2S7c0cEPoCDE2j7 5bLmSz/stKuSKEXO+oiF1chR3RGL7lHlJm6BdYTlMgc7FbbFBQ7pFjQ7/Fn0RehaXHtu Sq7+3Svd7/8pbGen0jYneY7EGOAUj7ueoOI2w= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.93.1 with SMTP id k1mr117026wef.151.1262036595604; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 13:43:15 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:43:15 +1800 Message-ID: <702226df0912281343u74ba2a7dl73daef95d368cf0e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: lo te cacra From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d9a0e8f97ecf047bd0ca9d --0016e6d9a0e8f97ecf047bd0ca9d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration (default is 1 hour) by standard x3" jboski translates lo te cacra as "standard for hour". This is confusing to me. What standard is being referred to, exactly? On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > coi.ku'us mi krici le du'u do ba nelci.a'o kei lo mi.o'a cnino mekso vau.ui > > > On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > >> That's how the SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of >> transmission". >> >> But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are bridi >> variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a set >> structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gismu >> can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places. >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren wrote: >> >>> I think you just swap the first and xth place >>> >>> { x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 } >>> { x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 } >>> { x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 } >>> { x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 } >>> { x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 } >>> >>> ::looks for reference:: >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones >>> wrote: >>> > Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list: >>> > >>> > broda predicate var 1 1st assignable >>> > variable predicate (context determines place structure) >>> > >>> > On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are >>> variable"? >>> >> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves. >>> >> >>> >> stevo >>> >> >>> >> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >>> eyeonus@gmail.com> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I have some >>> >>> questions about them. >>> >>> >>> >>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se broda.... >>> >>> >>> >>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or >>> somewhere >>> >>> in between? >>> >>> >>> >>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry for >>> all >>> >>> five? >>> >>> >>> >>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each, and >>> to >>> >>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that the >>> place >>> >>> structures of these gismu are variable. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >>> eyeonus@gmail.com> >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I haven't heard from >>> anyone >>> >>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself still >>> working on >>> >>>> this? >>> >>>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >>> eyeonus@gmail.com> >>> >>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although it doesn't always show >>> up. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >>> eyeonus@gmail.com> >>> >>>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entries you made, as you're >>> the >>> >>>>>>> only person that can. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'edit' on a card you >>> >>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives you ownership of the >>> new one-- >>> >>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items, not alter the ones >>> I'm trying >>> >>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank-- I can't find >>> 'delete' >>> >>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is too slow? It >>> takes about a >>> >>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the 'order by' and 'show' >>> options >>> >>>>>> don't load whatsoever. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> fe'o >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> -- >>> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>> >>>> -- >>> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >>> >> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> > >>> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >>> if >>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d9a0e8f97ecf047bd0ca9d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable cacra is defined in the gismu list as "x1 is x2 hours in duration (def= ault is 1 hour) by standard x3"

jboski translates lo te cacra a= s "standard for hour".

This is confusing to me. What stand= ard is being referred to, exactly?

On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 7:54 AM, Jon "T= op Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
coi.ku'us mi krici le du'u do ba nelci.a'o kei lo mi.o'a cn= ino mekso vau.ui


On Sat, Dec 26, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
That's how th= e SE cmavo work, yes. That's why {lo xe benji} is "a means of tran= smission".

But I don't see the point of bringing that up. The 5 brodV are brid= i variables, like the ko'V pro-sumti variables. They don't have a s= et structure. Depending on the context in which they are used, the brodV gi= smu can have anywhere between 0(?) and infinity places.


On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Oren <get= .oren@gmail.com> wrote:
I think you just swap the first and xth place

{ x1 [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x2 se [gismu] x1 x3 x4 x5 }
{ x3 te [gismu] x2 x1 x4 x5 }
{ x4 ve [gismu] x2 x3 x1 x5 }
{ x5 xe [gismu] x2 x3 x4 x1 }

::looks for reference::

On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 11:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrot= e:
> Well, here's the definition of broda as taken from the gismu list:=
>
> broda=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 predicate var 1=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 1st assignable > variable predicate (context determines place structure)
>
> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Steven Lytle <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What do you mean by "the place structures of these gismu are = variable"?
>> Gismu place structures are as fixed as the gismu themselves.
>>
>> stevo
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 8:11 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones <= ;eyeonus@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm getting to the point of adding the brodV gismu, and I = have some
>>> questions about them.
>>>
>>> Should I make sumti entries for them? i.e. lo broda, lo se bro= da....
>>>
>>> If so, should I make all five sumti places, just the first, or= somewhere
>>> in between?
>>>
>>> Should I make a seperate entry for each one, or a single entry= for all
>>> five?
>>>
>>> My inclination is to ONLY make the gismu entries, one for each= , and to
>>> not make any sumti entries at all, mainly due to the fact that= the place
>>> structures of these gismu are variable.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 25, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones= <eyeonus@gmail.c= om>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So whta's everyone's status on this project? I hav= en't heard from anyone
>>>> about this in quite a while now. Is anyone besides myself = still working on
>>>> this?
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Jon "Top Hat" J= ones <eyeonus@gma= il.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Delete is in the "My Items" area, although i= t doesn't always show up.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/16/09, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 05:19, Jon "Top Hat&q= uot; Jones <eyeon= us@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You'll need to delete the duplicate entrie= s you made, as you're the
>>>>>>> only person that can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess then what happens is when you click 'e= dit' on a card you
>>>>>> didn't create, it copies that card and gives y= ou ownership of the new one--
>>>>>> so I can only delete my own recordings' items,= not alter the ones I'm trying
>>>>>> to fix? Either way, I'm really drawing a blank= -- I can't find 'delete'
>>>>>> anywhere... It may be that my chinese internet is = too slow? It takes about a
>>>>>> minute to load the list for me and often the '= order by' and 'show' options
>>>>>> don't load whatsoever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fe'o
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>>
>>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
>


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mu'o mi'e .aionys.

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