From lukeabergen@gmail.com Thu Jan 21 14:26:02 2010 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.92.145]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NY5TS-0005n6-JV for lojban-list@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:26:01 -0800 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so43305qwc.58 for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:25:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EzUJZVvZmAHu5P3XSVNHXS3lskYQDZiTDUoBgoPHt7w=; b=HBYYv0JMqmmRmbmjABnfZphvTlXKpfgVV2ZuK5Z441aheZAkuFpplP3IIBz8bxOdZH khT9ZAlkkA5eD5/M+qhSbbpOkwEnCcoy9XgpsyPtVvQ/IM1+L9OEstrpAxbw6a/HNXIa 9QJiOj42SEtsCT4x3ppYVLzsbCO4zEn8zlPqY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=CpPrNHTSmKx2Fo+JE7q3y8cZ9JsKlTBs1a5lbHrQ38AyXy02yHmqU5OjbyhYwRqnl9 cYbLZg1zLVtVpUuIO6vIigEb8zfrkdxJCCYQwLZ0KYOcxLRYsOG2vM7qsm5ept4NFxp+ yvjS3rRP6nIv4VjetLWauzHgyv/YyVWrsZhMo= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.123.218 with SMTP id q26mr173495vcr.61.1264112755683; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:25:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <925d17561001211422h30febd27jbdbc5ad249532740@mail.gmail.com> References: <5715b9301001211330y36354477q3ae3e3049512152a@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561001211422h30febd27jbdbc5ad249532740@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:25:55 -0500 Message-ID: <5715b9301001211425x545b84d3p82b1c3b40632358a@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: question about emphasis or something like it From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c93321c2331d047db42fbf --001636c93321c2331d047db42fbf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the responses. I guess it would make sense that I was unsure ho= w to do this. I never really understood {kau} intuitively. 2010/1/21 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > How would lojban differentiate between "I'm surprised that you said > 'that'" > > (emphasis on 'that' as opposed to saying 'this') vs "I'm surprised that > you > > said 'that'" (emphasis on 'said' as opposed to 'wrote' or 'thought')? > > This is called "focus" in linguistics. See: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_(linguistics) > > In Lojban you can probably indicate focus with "ba'e", but you can > also do it with "kau" after a non-question word, see: > http://jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c11/s8.html > > Also, any attitudinal will generally tend to put some focus on what it > marks. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to lojban-list-request@lojban.or= g > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. > > --001636c93321c2331d047db42fbf Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the=A0responses. =A0I guess it would make sense that I was unsur= e how to do this. =A0I never really understood {kau} intuitively.

2010/1/21 Jorge Llamb=EDas <<= a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com><= br>
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 6= :30 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeaberge= n@gmail.com> wrote:
> How would lojban differentiate between "I'm surprised that yo= u said 'that'"
> (emphasis on 'that' as opposed to saying 'this') vs &q= uot;I'm surprised that you
> said 'that'" (emphasis on 'said' as opposed to &#= 39;wrote' or 'thought')?

This is called "focus" in linguistics. See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_(linguistics)

In Lojban you can probably indicate focus with "ba'e", but yo= u can
also do it with "kau" after a non-question word, see:
http:= //jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c11/s8.html

Also, any attitudinal will generally tend to put some focus on what it mark= s.

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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