From phma@phma.optus.nu Fri Jan 22 19:42:37 2010 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NYWtM-00040m-AY for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 19:42:37 -0800 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=tzzCjLrAF01Ehb3FK8YA:9 a=nTFkqNAcOiMNPOqYSDzvXtc1PkcA:4 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:49217] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 56/C0-02041-0207A5B4; Sat, 23 Jan 2010 03:42:24 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9359A3EF for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:42:23 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: camxes's reaction to some fu'ivla Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 22:42:19 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201001222242.21483.phma@phma.optus.nu> I installed camxes (the compiled jar) and ran it on some words. I gave it a= ll=20 the months of the Roman calendar (ianvari, frebuari, martio, prilio, madjio= ,=20 djunio, djulio, avgusto, septembero, oktobero, novmbero, decmbero; kuintili= =20 (=3Ddjulio), sektili (=3Davgusto), mercedonio (noi setca ke'a lo frebuari))= , and=20 it accepted them all. Vlatai rejects zo martio bi'o zo djulio. "soiombo" (a Mongolian symbol) and "peuence" (the Chilean people of the=20 monkey-puzzle tree) it rejects. These would be valid if the rule were "The= =20 second consonant must be next to another consonant when y'y and ybu are=20 ignored", but with the current rule, "There must be a consonant cluster in= =20 the first five letters, ignoring y'y and ybu", they're not. However, it=20 considers "soiombo" to break into "so iombo". This I think is incorrect. A= =20 word beginning with a vowel must be preceded by a pause, else you can't=20 tell "so iombo" from "soi ombo". Both programs accept "ricrpeuence". camxes rejects "aierne". Its attempt at a parse is simply "a" (".a .ierne" = is=20 not the start of anything grammatical, as "a" is expecting a sumti to=20 follow), even though ".ai .erne" is grammatical. camxes accepts "amliau" and not "mliau"; jbofi'e accepts "mliau" as a word = and=20 splits "amliau" into a misparse. Whichever one is valid means "meow". Pierre =2D-=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada.