From phma@phma.optus.nu Sun Jan 24 23:41:27 2010 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NZJZb-0005MV-7C for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:41:27 -0800 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=0dbv4n-o1bQA:10 a=kRJbSdrThbmIDVRJWJkA:9 a=EegIvVhP9M9hGZdwS1rzf6oQIi0A:4 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:53174] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 69/0B-19307-B1B4D5B4; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:41:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 661D0D620 for ; Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:41:14 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: camxes's reaction to some fu'ivla Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 02:41:04 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201001222242.21483.phma@phma.optus.nu> <925d17561001230614x4505f61u5c566397d2dd57d0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17561001230614x4505f61u5c566397d2dd57d0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201001250241.06895.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Saturday 23 January 2010 09:14:05 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > Right. camxes accepts the CS syllable onset (where S stands for the > semivowels i, u), although there has never been an official decision > one way or the other about this. Why does vlatai reject them? I > thought vlatai was generally more permissive than camxes about these > things. Apparently because "marti'o" is a lujvo and something to do with the Loglan= =20 compromise orthography. > It should read them as "so iombo", "pe uence". It does say "so iombo", but "pe uence" is ungrammatical. > It's grammatical for example in "zo .a ierne", or "lo'u .a ierne le'u". True, but a sentence can't begin with ".a ierne", and I didn't put anything= =20 before "a". > Yes, because "am" and "liau" are valid syllables. camxes doesn't like > CCS as syllable onset. The issue is whether "iau" is a triphthong. The only hint in the refgram th= at=20 there are triphthongs is "i,iai,i,iai,ion", and unlike the diphthongs where= =20 those that can occur in lujvo are distinguished from those that can't,=20 there's no list of valid triphthongs. If "iau" is a triphthong, then "mliau= "=20 is one syllable, and a brivla must have at least two. > (Although the phonological issues that still have to be officially > settled are relatively few and marginal, the BPFK should make a > decision about them at some point, it probably doesn't look very good > for Lojban that we still haven't made up our mind about them.) Can we get Nora involved? She's the third person on this committee. Pierre =2D-=20 Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.