From lindarthebard@yahoo.com Sun Jan 03 19:49:51 2010 Received: from web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([206.190.38.69]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NRdwx-0004I9-7k for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:49:51 -0800 Received: (qmail 84908 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Jan 2010 03:49:40 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1262576980; bh=naF/APFAdFLkUUHkt4bqPHstyYJ2iK56aiiUHCRsk/g=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=AONN94OcjxLNitZz3F5+BerxwcB3Q9nM9NnbwB6/hWjjUiDbI9VL5WlFcMIi6lUxn1hbzSfPtyOanDhwDfDMixs9Jzlff758NaR4M6EVz4VIgb2BliiM/zoP6aEP2l+LMol2yy+3G8uOmBwSPuTIJnWAsx0fEPRjvrJifMJtnew= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=z1H9N5YqfBjiTDCiOZmcqcGlVKGMETgtTLQlS78G7Xagtw6phhCQemKj/uxqmxpqEs3ZfdMVsGdpm/Hl1HRDUKkJkZVVizkX0pYo2X9Q0GwHskyth/AsW2TKZrP4w87SPTRXZF1lEKCXkjFRJlHmk8atRniT3Yz+KaTsAN0XN5Y=; Message-ID: <676933.83105.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: KrhQQh4VM1n.NqbzAVY55xCOe5763yDvRg6BFc1fU1L0Yh86T2V.B4IEB0v2UVAUOwJNPPwRFGYG78S80A_ikXGjAVIkGGsMswpdBlzhRpdEeactMgNHlr0XmH1jLUxGIgjlU6go8.NiBX1dgQOAITIPnr_oppsTEGekGz4ftNwrq5GhEUocqGko1OWIX2LMYM0SryRUqpO_ESIihgXFXR7u5BOy9_iAiVfe4HcM4iPe4C4LYSv0s5Ce0jNQ_iEVrBDYFwluhqDKtQpClqwMhnUUJLZrh6hRhDMikXBdnXhJatQfDUbRAyQpzByWAw74fyUQ_WwG5JpoxsjmHi_VRk0Yyz81TSxd7CilK3Z5q3ab1XomxnzeUjlf Received: from [173.196.20.139] by web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 03 Jan 2010 19:49:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <12ee707c1001031857l193fbcf7l5107a5e3dd4e88c8@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 19:49:40 -0800 (PST) From: Lindar Greenwood Subject: Re: [lojban] Place structure of bijyjbu To: lojban-list@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <12ee707c1001031857l193fbcf7l5107a5e3dd4e88c8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From: Geoff Hacker >To: lojban-list@lojban.org >Sent: Sun, January 3, 2010 6:57:13 PM >Subject: [lojban] Place structure of bijyjbu > > >Hi all, > >I just looked up "desk" in the "current" version of the jvoste (it is "bijyjbu") and do not think that its place structure is very user-friendly: > >x1 = jubme1 (table), x2 = jubme2 (table material), x3 = jubme3 (leg), x4 = briju2 (office worker) > >If I talk about a desk in an office, I am really highly unlikely to be referring to it in the context of what material or legs it has. I am far more likely to be saying that it is so-and-so's desk, and maybe after that further details about the office in which the desk appears, so I would have thought a more logical place structure was: > >x1 = jubme1 (table), x2 = briju2 (office worker) x3 = briju1 (office) x4 = briju3 (office location) and then maybe x5 = jubme2 (table material - so I could say, e.g., that it is a bijyjbu be fu lo [mahogany].) > >What do people think, and how would the jvoste get changed if a different consensus were reached? > >Geoff Second.