From mturniansky@gmail.com Tue Feb 23 04:43:17 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f200.google.com ([209.85.222.200]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nju6U-00054K-Vf for lojban-list@lojban.org; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:43:17 -0800 Received: by pzk38 with SMTP id 38so544945pzk.2 for ; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:43:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=5U9JLGIrCNbB/137T+4hhNiODt5t+DoslEXBmT/R2ZM=; b=IvjvJMzjpa4F60eB4H7qO/ZtlkyWxjyPT27t02+Xmxv3C+oZ8g7x0ASE70cSRJYa4i bGum6TkC6aEnwSS3M1PRpGCqqw7A+wI5/mkQd/L5gMxjvx4aMIlfW2MkjhrUx+91Ioxc Q2wbFFj+c9x8XsvXD3ypsjsaWNrfEGdq3hJMo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=beAO5X3V4pqjABsACmYgF1bcUGJzdGGeXAQalQuV6bwYVmbmCCo9Vg4N/9mGgogdB2 j+rUNyve++n1o3Bt6vxR+cKePomh2iLshdBxZG6xJ/RGttAdkvBN2bjdJm8fxvBgEjSt LK8pfGSFshxTLLR0Q38wblj3tS3nK5Eswn06U= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.21.20 with SMTP id y20mr1840944wfi.102.1266928973659; Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:42:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4B77F0FD.3080908@perpetuum-immobile.de> <201002141220.48195.phma@phma.optus.nu> <96f789a61002150742j10e63ba6w901ac3c84302d551@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 07:42:53 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61002230442q6f68acecrb30aae8bdebb3640@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: "which of you is the first to..."? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502c5bc6e3d9f048043e3df --00504502c5bc6e3d9f048043e3df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Dag Odenhall wrote: > OK, I can see why you avoided this solution, neither of you is the > absolute first jbopre. But I'd argue the x3 makes it possible, and > leaving it zo'e we can infer it means something like "beginning > studies before the other". > The reason that solution was avoided (well, I didn't avoid it, I actually used it, filling in the x3), was that without the x3 it leaves unanswered "The first lojbanist to do what?" The first lojbanist standing in line at the movies? The first one to answer the question that timos asked? etc. > > On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dag Odenhall > wrote: > > la florolf ji do pamoi lo'i jbopre > > > > Why are you all making it so complicated? > > > > On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Michael Turniansky > > wrote: > > >> > >> Could be all sorts of interesting ways: > >> > >> la florolf ji do pamoi le'i cilre be fi la lojban [lo detri] seems > >> to me to be the most straightforward. > > --gejyspa --00504502c5bc6e3d9f048043e3df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 5:44 AM, Dag Ode= nhall <dag.o= denhall@gmail.com> wrote:
OK, I can see why you avoided this solution, neither of you is the
absolute first jbopre. But I'd argue the x3 makes it possible, and
leaving it zo'e we can infer it means something like "beginning studies before the other".
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=C2= =A0 =C2=A0 The reason that solution was avoided (well, I didn't avoid i= t, I actually used it, filling in the x3), was that without the x3 it leaves una= nswered "The first lojbanist to do what?"=C2=A0 The first lojbani= st standing in line at the movies?=C2=A0 The first one to answer the questi= on that timos asked? etc.
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On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Dag Odenhall <dag.odenhall@gmail.com> wrote:
> la florolf ji do pamoi lo'i jbopre
>
> Why are you all making it so complicated?
>
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <mturniansky@gmail.com= > wrote:

>>
>> =C2=A0Could be all sorts of interesting ways:
>>
>> la florolf ji do pamoi le'i cilre be fi la lojban [lo detri] = =C2=A0 seems
>> to me to be the most straightforward.


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