From mturniansky@gmail.com Wed Feb 24 04:38:04 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f191.google.com ([209.85.216.191]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NkGV5-0006V3-1w for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 04:38:03 -0800 Received: by pxi29 with SMTP id 29so2631131pxi.1 for ; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 04:37:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=9OVEXwopPvqs8G9ZHXNf/rtyweuqv7DqpKFd6Gxj6qk=; b=Og4CR6nekQ0OD+VVuKzX6TuRoiCdo9OCNLCMVp8EVfpIWs2tYWv5Z1yl5Pxk/WLw1J z9SQpcjosNLRJrOZ07AaX3YpGqxIXnM1rZV47ok+0nYH9iuPwgze0XmeOKceox4CrN+9 TU6ciCFNgfbXU1q3en6vDNbxJagQOhsZ76Reg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qdfx92APRt+usn2KMBbjMqTUgHPlvTU4kVZfNxnO06oOVrzAtEeF257fc3PTmjllcA t7AsfbRO7KnhZ/ED2Vl/bAr2bYXeJzTxutncU524/2kQWp+vgmERSL07Gpik3Z9tizs2 8idF+BmqqnvoXH++dGDr2j5LuQsoSpA3Hu55g= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.74.12 with SMTP id w12mr1271828wfa.204.1267015073077; Wed, 24 Feb 2010 04:37:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <20050419104222.27410.qmail@web32110.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5715b9301002221034v6b3b6e7atdc7de3a75e8f7ed8@mail.gmail.com> <201002222012.40119.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 07:37:53 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61002240437w153886av7246a1c9c2a909e4@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: To be polite in lojban. From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e909285b19b1048057ef5f --001636e909285b19b1048057ef5f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Betsemes wrote: > From the dictionary (Edition 4 - March 2009): > > e'o cmavo [UI1]$e'o$ > attitudinal: request - negative request. > See also cpedu, pikci. > > What is a negative request? A command? How a negative request would be > used? > > The short answer is "it's never actually been used, so plainly no one really is comfortable with it" The longer answer #1 is "According to xorxes' opinion, as a member of the BPFK, and expressed on the proposed definition page http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+Irrealis+Attitudinals, it should be used as an offer: .e'o nai ko lebna lo titla *Here, have some candy." * The longer answer #2 is I believe that "negative request" means an expression of desire that something not happen: ".e'onai do citka sepi'o lo degji" "I really wish you wouldn't eat with your fingers" --gejyspa --001636e909285b19b1048057ef5f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 6:52 AM, Betseme= s <betsemes@gmai= l.com> wrote:
From the dictionary (Edition 4 - March 2009):

e'o cmavo [UI1]$e'o$
attitudinal: request - negative request.
See also cpedu, pikci.

What is a negative request? A command? How a negative request would be used= ?

=C2=A0 = The short answer is "it's never actually been used, so plainly no = one really is comfortable with it"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The longer answer #= 1 is "According to xorxes' opinion, as a member of the BPFK, and e= xpressed on the proposed definition page http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Se= ction:+Irrealis+Attitudinals, it should be used as an offer: .e'o n= ai ko lebna lo titla
Here, have some candy."

=C2=A0 The longer answer #2 is= I believe that "negative request" means an expression of desire = that something not happen: ".e'onai do citka sepi'o lo degji&q= uot; "I really wish you wouldn't eat with your fingers"

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--gejyspa

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