From mturniansky@gmail.com Mon Feb 15 07:43:07 2010 Received: from mail-pz0-f179.google.com ([209.85.222.179]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nh36D-00007R-K0 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:43:07 -0800 Received: by pzk9 with SMTP id 9so3303403pzk.28 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:42:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qkK3GbTKIViWtdj5IGmqSNNtRwytrTqb4V2lGLZYULs=; b=ets965PKdVRhkaU4WI20XTSoQbYjB5iIRVjL/fxCuvrdDpHX1dqnHrAwrFzQvSoQb5 ShdOIYm32/GAtltQzd8PhW2zeGL61cjHUONyf2zotlyyZCizmpWgEikPnk6GP3FJs5RO RtJ7jdJ5ZcvSMMtPlgAot0XFGi8i5jmhSqTbU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Z+kk7Oly1ZgmTmnwbZ9gOXPglobzZaU0RSrAoz7mKVfUxw6pModV0YEkHZfdaDIksk AX6uRS7X6QehXeAWBplAx6PnIPzbYBOpF9uqi/kcXJhQS0iMpYdzFLzmqV+QKbpUOqiT DBDhtyzFbJGqmltfv6MHhVzqOCyIdahtenmrM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.1.35 with SMTP id 35mr3502178wfa.344.1266248575022; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:42:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <201002141220.48195.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <4B77F0FD.3080908@perpetuum-immobile.de> <201002141220.48195.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 10:42:54 -0500 Message-ID: <96f789a61002150742j10e63ba6w901ac3c84302d551@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: "which of you is the first to..."? From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 12:20 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 14 February 2010 07:47:57 Timo Paulssen wrote: >> coi rodo >> >> vensa on the irc just asked for the best way to ask "among florolf and y= ou, >> who was the first lojbanist?" and he came up with >> >> =C2=A0 ma poi me do ce la florolf ku'o cu du pamoi le jbopre >> >> and that's too long for my taste. >> After considering a few different words to make it work (ji, zmadu/traji= , >> moi) i came up with the still rather flawed >> >> =C2=A0 xu la florolf do zmadu lo ni clira lojbo binxo >> >> because it only works with two people, which vensa immediately noticed. >> >> What would be a good way to express that? > > ma pamoi be do ce la florolf. be'o jbopre > or even shorter > ma jbopre co pamoi do ce la florolf. > > mu'omi'e .pier. > -- Could be all sorts of interesting ways: la florolf ji do pamoi le'i cilre be fi la lojban [lo detri] seems to me to be the most straightforward. For a real ridiculous one, try this: ge'i la florolf ce'o do gi ra sece'o ri cu porsi lo prula'i be fi lo nu cilre fi la lojban For a less ridiculous one, try: ma cu porsi lo prula'i be fi lo nu cilre fi la lojban la folrolf ce do --gejyspa