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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 06:11:18 -0800 (PST)
From: "A. PIEKARSKI" <totus@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking!
To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org
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=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0A> From: Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllamb=
ias@gmail.com>=0A> To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org=0A> Sent: Sat, February =
13, 2010 3:00:54 PM=0A> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are=
 attacking!=0A> =0A> On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:44 PM, A. PIEKARSKI <> ymail=
to=3D"mailto:totus@rogers.com" =0A> href=3D"mailto:totus@rogers.com">totus@=
rogers.com> wrote:=0A>> From: =0A> Jorge Llamb=EDas <> href=3D"mailto:jjlla=
mbias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com>=0A>=0A>> =0A> At some point, after C=
LL and LfB were=0A>> written, we decided that using =0A> "cmene" in English=
 with this specialized=0A>> meaning was a bad idea, =0A> because "cmene" do=
esn't mean and never meant that in=0A>> =0A> Lojban.=0A>=0A> I understand w=
hat you are saying.=A0 But when you say =0A> "we", do you mean the BPFK=0A>=
 (i.e. is it 'official')?=0A=0AI mean we the =0A> English speaking Lojban c=
ommunity. The BPFK does not=0Ahave any authority on =0A> the English langua=
ge, does it?=0A=0A> And where is this decision =0A> 'enshrined'?=A0 Shouldn=
't it be on some=0A> BPFK page on the wiki?=A0 After all, =0A> when there i=
s an apparent discrepency between=0A> CLL and jbovlaste, most =0A> people w=
ho don't know the history will likely choose CLL as=0A> the final =0A> auth=
ority.=0A=0AI don't think any of those have any official authority on =0A> =
English usage anyway.=0A=0AAre you concerned about the meaning of "cmene" a=
nd =0A> "cmevla" as used in=0ALojban, or as used in English jargon when tal=
king about =0A> Lojban?=0A=0ANo.=A0 My point was that as the substance of t=
his discourse =0A(the difference between cmevla and cmene) is not =0Acontai=
ned in CLL or 'Lojban for Beginners', it should be =0Acontained on a BFPK p=
age on the wiki.=A0Otherwise, the =0Aconfusion will continue.=0A=0Atotus