Received: from n4b.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com ([76.13.13.74]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NgJNd-00071P-4g for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:54:02 -0800 Received: from [76.13.13.25] by n4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 14:53:50 -0000 Received: from [68.142.230.28] by t4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 14:53:50 -0000 Received: from [66.196.97.155] by t1.bullet.re2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 14:53:50 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Feb 2010 14:53:50 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 554348.97097.bm@omp208.mail.re3.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 12000 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Feb 2010 14:53:50 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rogers.com; s=s1024; t=1266072830; bh=+TDgV7RC3JCWy0+6YFwsMhMjiT99mPxjae5LkF9BbPI=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=CVuIH55Y5v9hJxt/9fRbJUwt2kjUSopR5EEpqDGwDRPqk/1O1GHFg2eRpUaf9CxbgtPIkrHi6afbNb3SuuHDVtXiitox+7i4B1hr6BpBB1kNoHG0Dvhv1KjeV65VV2YO/hY1zJ3LDDly/wwVYrtGQTCZdXk0BdpnnHABPW2OqYQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=rogers.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Rbs380jJWIKfoNhtNtf4m55Pw4NHmwg2RHVWsbPZNC3XM0uOWsD9j66L1eiWoId7+W3B2CAO6yZNa8dsD8c645e2GgyGwR4TeSYEwEeXnNVodLWtb2kWvs76AbrSiUdSvCEDTUHZ1Bqo9+XsbZuhXCdL3/HwQgUuiYMDljThxGw=; Message-ID: <239148.11993.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Qb3xkg0VM1mn4xNUAYwVEywI79XBQveUQhqVxRFu9HCM0BD1Oo._gObRWrsxJQULFYe1_VKI2rwhzHOUNpfFMAbYx.ura8QG9mpq8_RS5VCAc5qCyeJdADbQp.HrFD6w6oZ6OcWRdy9y3eyOu_wM7KTy7cgNfgmtwS.coibA0HxcimKYgejNI0KNwzjgtU3kb0gjRFMwWLkodLELeF8z0WZ9oMsythuYXjqlVX9zKftyDFuPZPCcS13NnTVCU7Ibw5T0r_7hjJ_VwMjtBWQV2gmlw2OgO5KU316uKlqnow4gDerDnw-- Received: from [99.229.170.85] by web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:53:49 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/300.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <218950.62113.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <425e4ac21002081956jb0e0de5n98a1a5446c4f7609@mail.gmail.com> <201002090214.40868.phma@phma.optus.nu> <702226df1002090821m1703c5a8l569467a229bb024@mail.gmail.com> <4B768767.1030503@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 06:53:49 -0800 (PST) From: "A. PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking! To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <4B768767.1030503@perpetuum-immobile.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 627 Lines: 10 =0A=0A=0ANo, =0A> you got it completely reversed. cmevla refers to words th= an end in =0A> a=0Aconsonant, such as {aionys} and cmene refers to every wo= rd that is used as =0A> a=0Aname (i.o.w. after {la}) such as in {la mlatu}.= =0A=0AUnfortunately lojban =0A> for beginners confuses the words somewhat.= =0A=0AActually, neither "Lojban for Beginners" nor CLL even mention cmevla.= =A0 =0ACLL states: 'The final vowel distinguishes brivla from cmene, which = =0Aalways end in a consonant' (Chater 4 Section3).=0A=0ANo wonder everyone = is confused!=A0 Exactly where are cmene and cmevla =0Adefinitively defined?= =0A=0Atotus