Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NhN1M-0005cK-L1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 04:59:23 -0800 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so4612454bwz.4 for ; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 04:59:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MbBNNZL5WUteP4prq10vkDcJuh/S0+RcKJGW17zu3Rc=; b=NBguXDSA+Z+hXTNm7OkBLWnwgbJTR7VHIWlJ5hKMyVG/4QqIpqobGNZkLRQ+5RNSGp W1dJAMrvXkv4SXy4gbOeNDxrQN+sWqsIojQ4Z2i9lWzEsByUVn8tHuFN4H0RuURwxX/j c6YBBojWSnz0BfsEwrPMDzrQsu1cv8YjzcZbk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=ehLTWNCWYvs5JGkip3L7AzJ8jA9t4iLvJULSDGWAFUJuJrNLVHJsuI5yszec8Zkq8H BU585iUlW/7kxO6MyrJUbGJtE6HkISKEviJqWnxdNACjU0OAMwicEEahqaJva/A4K8xE ZK3J5oPpUyYCcOT84d9YRjf10bAWNsSBWcUCg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.36.199 with SMTP id u7mr4095854bkd.212.1266325151314; Tue, 16 Feb 2010 04:59:11 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4de8c3931002160439g4b839b52y1fd5b1f258efa2ed@mail.gmail.com> References: <4de8c3931002160439g4b839b52y1fd5b1f258efa2ed@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 09:59:11 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561002160459i682c13ddo9f95c47a4289c5ef@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] mau/semau From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 741 Lines: 24 On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:39 AM, tijlan wrote: > What does { mi citka da semau de } mean? Is it { da zmadu de lo ka mi > ce'u citka } or { mi zmadu de lo ka ce'u da citka }? The usual answer is none of the above, but: lo nu mi citka da cu zmadu de For example: mi citka lo rismi semau lo nu lo cipni cu vofli > I guess this can be disambiguated by turning { semau de } into an > internal sumtcita with { pe }: { mi pe semau de citka da } and { mi > citka da pe semau de }. Is { mau/semau } on the main selbri level to > be discouraged, then? The clearest is to use zmadu as the main selbri, but context can help: mi citka lo rismi semau tu'a do mi citka lo rismi semau tu'a lo rectu mu'o mi'e xorxes