Received: from mail-bw0-f221.google.com ([209.85.218.221]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nec49-0001gB-TE for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:26:53 -0800 Received: by bwz21 with SMTP id 21so5677746bwz.4 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:26:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=orzju4bZDMUu2MsYBymg/H5oYI+2cRym6+GxLPRs/s4=; b=V2OGV3MdLmllLiUCPRKNK69noXz78Lo9AHDsI560Vc/acvLya2bxf354ydOP4nRU/l /QsqxtIq+vlgbMIsVCw2YlXQwrIbbC64sUSMtPATVihZ417v6B7A6IKYV/elQ/H2eY0Q o9GlVKR3XnaV5H/ePXc1DRuJ9CKBvP5wOAvD4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=QgLTcy08gNwApW4xNjx6hPpnPHykWzQFkndxw1QUVUrX8E8HL8O27EFF+5Tw9UgakN wFU3ZmwjUNxite2sAbI7rVx9bQYrbTnQYyXf+bp5V7X86g3BPcpP4iHGilD4v5GkJX1o DC8s/k+SnuICkEu3ITnFW6TfPBvNWTyXVaBog= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.33.69 with SMTP id g5mr2098526bkd.167.1265668002733; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 14:26:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <715718.90598.qm@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <218950.62113.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <925d17561002081358if4eddacl7ccc619f0da8af3a@mail.gmail.com> <715718.90598.qm@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 19:26:42 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561002081426l71dc6287q4c4cc4d3c3924b6f@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking! From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1160 Lines: 29 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser wrote: > Thank you xorxes. So, allow me to re-iterate: > > xorlo simply refers to the idea that in an instance where a lojbanist is > unsure of the proper gadri to be utilized, the default is lo. > > gadri is the lojban equivalent of an English article (I do understand the > principle of malglico, however I'm using this for reference) > > la: Used only for cmene; Is the article which immediately proceeds a cmene / > it designates the next word as a cmene. > > le: A gadri which denotes a specific thing/instance which the speaker has in > mind. (le is optional and may be substituted for lo) > > lo: A gadri which introduces a thing/instance. (Specific or non-specific) > > loi: A gadri which says that an attribute/action that is being applied to a > group is being applied to that group as a whole, not necessarily to the > individuals comprising that group. > > Is this more correct? It sounds fine to me. (Minor caveat, when you say "a thing/instance", it sounds like it's singular, but "lo" does not specify number, so it could be a thing or things.) mu'o mi'e xorxes