Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NfKpD-0003XV-J2; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:14:28 -0800 Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id e21so5384fga.10 for ; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:14:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=7THQ/4uJcyk27OcWmvVGScg/oc4/t2w+TfDZksSsH8Q=; b=tc8LaNvuyxGH973UvNzbND9eKgVdMBOhxZhim6TIkQpQueV9dDYWHPdepf11NDfIpe 3E2EC199mdqW539gJQFvWe342AmJeWWD6x0zMV93lI64WfMhgvYgcDyKLTxu9/DabXMf 04lQSn+vulTkeW2nYse/PuerITGffGGiJz7IA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=pj96ubb3R4gzyuyCF9LyKM1OxhsAvLDawlZQYW0eKT+9aFc20ZtEPYBlDnb4zN3O1n Mi9R86Yth6l6NVm+TmbqU24veV6eukSQpRVo2NOJxAwKDTtXLFJxeboavAFpkxxbYDeq C+6mDbZyyW4qKOXMpgHXRmarjjw9CvhzDOOUk= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.186.12 with SMTP id v12mr533035wem.75.1265840061106; Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:14:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df1002101412s5d384b46g6acc9484727575ab@mail.gmail.com> References: <401240.5931.qm@web88003.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <772284.89526.qm@web88004.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002010907q401169b1w1467e38f44dfaf3d@mail.gmail.com> <221614.99169.qm@web88007.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <702226df1002011320y5c108575l2c201b4e607c234@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002011331k4c07c9cfm9932ae55eaf6fcbb@mail.gmail.com> <27513e551002020312s5727cf7fya35150ab1bd5f0b6@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002020752v3862f0dcs2d2004ccda9d8c51@mail.gmail.com> <4643bbcd1002041142j40273960n65afe7c27b5471ba@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1002101412s5d384b46g6acc9484727575ab@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2010 15:14:21 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1002101414n39a103ebv606e3c04bc6cc823@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: smart.fm From: "Jon \"Top Hat\" Jones" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org, lojban list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e649c9e82f50b5047f465b87 Content-Length: 11588 Lines: 248 --0016e649c9e82f50b5047f465b87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I added a column on the Gdoc to put the mp3 file locations in. On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: > Worst come to worst, we can use Google Docs as a repository- it will "soon > be possible" to upload any kind of file, which I would assume includes .mp3 > files. However we decide to do it, though, we'll need to put it's web link > into the Gdoc list. > > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Sara Brand wrote: > >> I had offered to help with this project, but it turns out that I really >> don't have the time for it. Sorry guys. >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jon "Top Hat" Jones wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Oren wrote: >>> >>>> hey, the status of my mp3s is "on the way." Chinese new year is upon >>>> us. >>>> >>>> I'll also think very hard about solving the mp3 repository thing... Is >>>> there some way to export or import mp3s with smart.fm? >>>> >>> >>> As far as I know, the only way to import .mp3 files to Smart.fm is to >>> attach them to a lesson item, and there is no way to export them short of >>> playing one while you have something recording what comes out your speakers. >>> >>> I agree that their backend makes mp3 management a chore (maybe >>>> it's just in china that it's very slow and can't list more than several >>>> dozen items per page), but I almost feel like if there isn't a convenient >>>> way to port data or manage data... why get our stuff stuck there? It only >>>> needs to be done once, but it's also a good idea to sniff out other options. >>>> >>> >>> Nope, I'm in the U.S., and it's just as slow for me, including the 20 >>> items per page thing. And I agree that the lack of good data management is a >>> low blow. The funny thing is, they *used* to have that stuff- before the >>> recent interface changes, it *was* possible to make an entire lesson by >>> importing, for instance, a text document. According to their news blog, >>> they'll be bringing that back at some point, once they've finished making >>> the site work well enough to stop getting complaints again. >>> >>> As far as the getting stuck bit- that's part of the reason why I want an >>> online repository for the audio. Thanks to the Google Doc you made, >>> everything *but* the audio already has a single place online to go, and >>> I'm certain that, once all the simplified definitions are finished, it would >>> be a relatively simple matter to add the items as a lesson in any of the >>> other web-based language learning sites in extent. And if someone happened >>> to come across a learning site that supported Lojban pronunciation, we >>> wouldn't even need the audio for it. >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 05:31, Jon "Top Hat" Jones < >>>> eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have come to the conclusion that it would be beneficial to this >>>>> project if there was some sort of central online repository for the lojban >>>>> audio re: the Smart.fm lessons, the reason being that it would be a simple >>>>> matter for those of us who are putting the entries in the lessons would be >>>>> able to download the audio for the entry from said repository. >>>>> >>>>> Obviously this means that the audio must be *done* first, and so far >>>>> the only audio I am aware of is that which I have recorded myself, with one >>>>> exception, which unfortunately was not used for reasons that do not need to >>>>> be mentioned. >>>>> >>>>> Speaking of which, I know that at least 3 people offered to record >>>>> audio, what is the status of their recordings? >>>>> >>>>> In any case, I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for such a >>>>> repository. Something free and easily accessible would be best. I know there >>>>> is a site which is used for spoken audio, the name of which currently >>>>> escapes me, but I am discouraged from using it as the site's purpose, IIRC, >>>>> is for conversational spoken Lojban, and the audio for the Smart.fm lessons >>>>> is merely gismu and the occasional {lo}, {se}, {te}, {ve}, and {xe}. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> >>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e649c9e82f50b5047f465b87 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I added a column on the Gdoc to put the=A0mp3 file locations in.

On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Jon "Top H= at" Jones <e= yeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Worst come to worst, we can use = Google Docs as a repository- it will "soon be=A0possible" to uplo= ad any kind of file, which I would assume includes .mp3 files. However we d= ecide to do it, though, we'll need to put it's web link into the Gd= oc list.=20


On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Sara Brand <s= eraneko@gmail.com> wrote:
I had offered to help with this = project, but it turns out that I really don't have the time for it. Sor= ry guys.=20


On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:52 AM, Jon "Top H= at" Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:12 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.com> wrote:
hey, the status of my mp3s is "on the way." Chin= ese new year is upon us.=A0=20

I'll also think very hard about solving the mp3 repository thing..= . Is there some way to export or import mp3s with smart.fm?=A0

As far as I know, the only way to import .mp3 files to Smart.fm is= to attach them to a lesson item, and there is no way to export them short = of playing one while you have something recording what comes out your speak= ers.

I agree that their backend makes mp3 management a chore (maybe it'= s just in china that it's very slow and can't list more than severa= l dozen items per page), but I almost feel like if there isn't a conven= ient way to port data or manage data... why get our stuff stuck there? It o= nly needs to be done once, but it's also a good idea to sniff out other= options.

Nope, I'm in the U.S., and it's just as slow for me, inclu= ding the 20 items per page thing. And I agree that the lack of good data ma= nagement is a low blow. The funny thing is, they used to have that s= tuff- before the recent interface changes, it was possible to make a= n entire lesson by importing, for instance, a text document. According to t= heir news blog, they'll be bringing that back at some point, once they&= #39;ve finished making the site work well enough to stop getting complaints= again.

As far as the getting stuck bit- that's part of the reason why I wa= nt an online repository for the audio. Thanks to the Google Doc you made, e= verything but the audio already has a single place online to go, and= I'm certain that, once all the simplified definitions are finished, it= would be a relatively simple matter to add the items as a lesson in any of= the other web-based language learning sites in extent. And if someone happ= ened to come across a learning site that supported Lojban pronunciation, we= wouldn't even need the audio for it.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 05:31, Jon "Top Hat&= quot; Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I have come to the c= onclusion that it would be beneficial to this project if there was some sor= t of central online repository for the lojban audio re: the Smart.fm lesson= s, the reason being that it would be a simple matter for those of us who ar= e putting the entries in the lessons would be able to download the audio fo= r the entry from said repository.

Obviously this means that the audio must be done first, and so f= ar the only audio I am aware of is that which I have recorded myself, with = one exception, which unfortunately was not used for reasons that do not nee= d to be mentioned.

Speaking of which, I know that at least 3 people offered to record audi= o, what is the status of their recordings?

In any case, I am wonderi= ng if anyone has a suggestion for such a repository. Something free and eas= ily accessible would be best. I know there is a site which is used for spok= en audio, the name of which currently escapes me, but I am discouraged from= using it as the site's purpose, IIRC, is for conversational spoken Loj= ban, and the audio for the Smart.fm lessons is merely gismu and the occasio= nal {lo}, {se}, {te}, {ve}, and {xe}.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a&#= 39;o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu





--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.= a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu





-- mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe d= enpa bu




-- =
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende = pe denpa bu

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