Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.148]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nei15-0007du-7y for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:48:07 -0800 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so1290039eyg.36 for ; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:48:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=VVbf7wuCwL5hIQxls2rNJYzCCPkpMHuiCdrUotdPxEM=; b=CYGqQuUMu+UYBeyJY7CeM6ZaPgCS7T4H51AsIHzrSXtU57uf8mXef1vybOhflzyVBV upVqPycpMmlPiONuQEnK3eJqs1e7Rpi9i1WJgC/eLPG8MbYehMxJWwdlhOzYg4kV31Lc wejPIrUR5SrMgbwgbnGykhNR8nQB9suETX4xA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=dZM6mjcazCm1Yeu5uZFpISeCYAt260N11Z9Urr7g/Jpa1qUh3ldBJsm8b7WPgudACS 9vHLBdOd9IdWXhAOnF54SnNZtEammR9gEACYJdthyGJNBhY8uRNmMo8LfKgf8gznicZO Y9gPwhu02YGI8wdWcqgB9mNDtQyyO07FDI6P0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.100.231 with SMTP id z39mr292001ebn.32.1265690881905; Mon, 08 Feb 2010 20:48:01 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <249d5b951002082047n6c0a3ed1s50249d2a7f28cb6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <218950.62113.qm@web46104.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <925d17561002081358if4eddacl7ccc619f0da8af3a@mail.gmail.com> <715718.90598.qm@web46101.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <249d5b951002081740h256fa074h5cef4ff8990ee2ed@mail.gmail.com> <1f1080831002081820q228ee8efo4473981694ef46a1@mail.gmail.com> <249d5b951002082047n6c0a3ed1s50249d2a7f28cb6d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 23:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: <249d5b951002082048m3835c59bq297ed1bb9e09c09e@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Help! The Xorlo are attacking! From: MorphemeAddict To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b90f695600047f239f01 Content-Length: 5963 Lines: 140 --001636c5b90f695600047f239f01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 but AIUI xorlo eschews all but "lo" for selma'o LE. stevo On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:47 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: > I was very careful to exclude selma'o LA. Yes, "le" is still more specific > than "lo", but AIUI > > > On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > >> I don't understand it going quite THAT far. I'm pretty sure la is still >> normal for cmene, and le IS still more "specific" than lo, if that >> specificity is wanted. Maybe not, though; I've only just recently started >> learning about xorlo after previously using LfB's version of lo. >> >> mu'omi'e latros. >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:40 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> As I understand xorlo, lo is for any and all instances of gadri from >>> selma'o LE, not just when one is unsure of which to use. In other words, it >>> makes all the other cmavo in LE obsolete. >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Whipsnerd Lhooser < >>> synaptic.explosion@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you xorxes. So, allow me to re-iterate: >>>> >>>> xorlo simply refers to the idea that in an instance where a lojbanist is >>>> unsure of the proper gadri to be utilized, the default is lo. >>>> >>>> gadri is the lojban equivalent of an English article (I do understand >>>> the principle of malglico, however I'm using this for reference) >>>> >>>> la: Used only for cmene; Is the article which immediately proceeds a >>>> cmene / it designates the next word as a cmene. >>>> >>>> le: A gadri which denotes a specific thing/instance which the speaker >>>> has in mind. (le is optional and may be substituted for lo) >>>> >>>> lo: A gadri which introduces a thing/instance. (Specific or >>>> non-specific) >>>> >>>> loi: A gadri which says that an attribute/action that is being applied >>>> to a group is being applied to that group as a whole, not necessarily to the >>>> individuals comprising that group. >>>> >>>> Is this more correct? >>>> ** >>>> >>>> >>> >> > --001636c5b90f695600047f239f01 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
but AIUI xorlo eschews all but "lo" for selma'o LE.
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stevo

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:47 PM, MorphemeAddict = <lytlesw@gmail.co= m> wrote:
I was very careful to exclude selma'o LA. Yes, "le" is s= till more specific than "lo", but AIUI

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On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:20 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't understand it going = quite THAT far. I'm pretty sure la is still normal for cmene, and le IS= still more "specific" than lo, if that specificity is wanted. Ma= ybe not, though; I've only just recently started learning about xorlo a= fter previously using LfB's version of lo.

mu'omi'e latros.=20


On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:40 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
As I understand xorlo, lo is for any and all instances of gadri from s= elma'o LE, not just when one is unsure of which to use. In other words,= it makes all the other cmavo in LE obsolete.
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stevo

On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Whipsnerd Lhoose= r <synaptic.explosion@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thank you xorxes. So, allow me to re-iterate:

xorlo simply refe= rs to the idea that in an instance where a lojbanist is unsure of the prope= r gadri to be utilized, the default is lo.

gadri is the lojban equiv= alent of an English article (I do understand the principle of malglico, how= ever I'm using this for reference)

la: Used only for cmene; Is the article which immediately proceeds a cm= ene / it designates the next word as a cmene.

le: A gadri which deno= tes a specific thing/instance which the speaker has in mind. (le is optiona= l and may be substituted for lo)

lo: A gadri which introduces a thing/instance. (Specific or non-specifi= c)

loi: A gadri which says that an attribute/action that is being a= pplied to a group is being applied to that group as a whole, not necessaril= y to the individuals comprising that group.

Is this more correct?
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