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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:18:13 +0000
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: MEX remainder
From: tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>
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On 21 February 2010 18:07, Felix Duesenburg
<felix.duesenburg@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Feb 2010 18:32:20 +0100, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I have another relevant question. Is the following translations of
>> Esperanto correct?
>>
>> dudek du super kvin
>> rere fi'u mu
>
> "rere fi'u mu" means 22 divided by 5.

"rere fi'u mu" is a fraction, "twenty-two fifths". "22 divided by 5"
sounds more like an operation, best expressed with "dilcu" or "fe'i".
Both mean the same quantity, but in different registers.

> Do you mean by "super" the binomial coefficient? If yes, it reads in
> Esperanto "n sur k".
> http://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binoma_koeficiento

I guess that's the proper way to read it. But colloquially "super" and
"sur" are interchangeable, much like "1 kaj 2 estas 3" and "1 plus 2
egalas 3".

> No idea how to say that in lojban :)

Is that not what "fi'u" is for?


>> kvinono de tio
>> fi'u mu ti
>
> "fi'u mu" means 1/5, having no connection to the following "ti" without
> further context.

"fi'u mu" is a PA construct, quantifying the next sumti, much like "pi
mu da", "ji'i mu da" etc.

> "ti fi'u mu" should be correct, but there may be a way to say it with the
> "ti" pushed behind.

"ti fi'u mu" itself is not a valid construct. "ti", which is not PA,
cannot be the numerator of "fi'u mu", and "fi'u mu" may have to be
followed by a sumti. For example, "ti fi'u mu da broda" is parsed as:

 ( ti ) ( fi'u mu da ) << broda >>


>> dudek du da kvinono de tio
>> rere fi'u mu ti
>
> That doesn't seem to make sense in Esperanto. After "da" follows a plural,
> if it relates to countable things, otherwise it has to be something
> measurable e.g. in kilograms, litres, or at least some abstract property.
> http://bertilow.com/pmeg/gramatiko/rolmontriloj/rolvortetoj/da/bazaj_reguloj.html

You are right.