From phma@phma.optus.nu Sun Mar 07 16:26:20 2010 Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.122]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NoQn9-0002KD-EF for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 07 Mar 2010 16:26:20 -0800 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=sJWX4TUU0p_iPMuKbuoA:9 a=SV0yIvz5UVnxxWFODflT7tzovkMA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:56627] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 48/A3-23425-804449B4; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 00:25:44 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA956F805 for ; Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:25:42 -0500 (EST) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: transitive & intransitive Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 19:25:38 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <4de8c3931003071055y5142a443nfa9ea6b0ce478dc9@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003071110r4e706f69rdf9a34a1c22504c0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17561003071110r4e706f69rdf9a34a1c22504c0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <201003071925.40397.phma@phma.optus.nu> On Sunday 07 March 2010 14:10:06 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM, tijlan wrote: > > Since an intransitive verb has by definition only one core argument, > > this usage of "sance" would have to preclude the syntactic (not > > semantic) existence of "sance"s other argument, x1. > > It means: "x2 sounds (the intransitive use of the English verb "to > sound"), as in "the bell sounds", rather than the transitive use in > "John sounds the bell". > > > So, what form of bridi is the abvoe gimste note on "sance" assuming to > > be intransitive? > > It's a note about the English verb "to sound", not about the Lojban > "sance". Lojban is a null-subject language; it is perfectly valid to say "sance le=20 janbe". English is not, so instead of "is the sound of the bell", we say "t= he=20 bell sounds". Pierre =2D-=20 li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci