From eyeonus@gmail.com Mon Mar 08 08:44:16 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nog3l-0001h2-Ul for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:44:15 -0800 Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so3587128wwi.40 for ; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:43:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=jJ6zoebwL6nspwbpRxRTzWLlLauh0MtNt7XsfDq0hv0=; b=coPSVNdTDPHnbCXbhksoGye4LsGA8B40BObHcA8PmjtD2Kvm2rhS7j0mjXidx8ttG3 nbTKdGq/DW9X2Ah9sBUZIKdZdwJVjpL8boz4QlTSPOzzb63OX0sNnZRGHLei7zwGFsRv 75D8HlmOjhctGG9egkxwlzb+ooUJTFxobk+kU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=qdUjEdq/iajuzvkpb4ggHYw+Tib27Fxe8/sh6+v1BujQEb9PJOgRE7LPx75SurXD/o RINnJbHKu/8CSbreIl3i11vylsx7W/qW9BYDFFg/fnzCYhxGkxhe4b3hoxvtizec/+ff F4iN61T9fbSodNQA1jRMNrbmDBSDbN/4ZdHMU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.88.14 with SMTP id z14mr2251267wee.129.1268066635241; Mon, 08 Mar 2010 08:43:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <702226df1003080820v745c793aqe0fda0a6168e7dba@mail.gmail.com> References: <702226df1003070834y45826f8fj7e2e424319b93a7f@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003071025u5813cff0p3a7e68d293dc40cb@mail.gmail.com> <20100307183748.GK19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003071203h5180399bvc8df5374c8b128c@mail.gmail.com> <20100307205027.GN19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003071356ia724ef3s3e213f480a3b6917@mail.gmail.com> <20100308015232.GP19073@digitalkingdom.org> <20100308015605.GQ19073@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003080817ia1fbb96y5a9a94720bbc89a1@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003080820v745c793aqe0fda0a6168e7dba@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 09:43:54 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1003080843o2a74af09u223b8a8a58dbf3d8@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: mass-uploading? From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d7e925585a9c04814cc579 --0016e6d7e925585a9c04814cc579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I uploaded your sheet to this address: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=3Dte2hJCi1lXAbTNr176WqWJg At this point I've gotten as far as {lo se gleki}. All the items with a green background have been checked, the white ones haven't yet. I'll work on it a bit more later, but I think it'll be 3 or 4 days before I finish checking them all. When I'm finished, I'll send it back to you as a .tsv file. On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Then we have things like this: > > lo se fraxu a receive forgivenesser > > Which ought to be "a receiver of forgiveness". > > On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> I had to convert it into a Google doc to edit it, due to limitations wit= h >> the public computer I'm using. (Not having your own computer sucks, and = I >> will be VERY happy when I get mine back.) >> >> So far, I've gotten to {lo se fraso}, and your automatic generation leav= es >> a lot to be desired. That is at least partly my fault. >> >> The gismu sumti all need to have the keyword in their definitions. This >> way learners will be able to identify which gismu it is a sumti of, whic= h I >> believe should make the gismu sumti easier to memorize, and to prevent >> technically correct wrong answers. For instance: >> >> fepni x1 is measured in money subunits as quantity x2 in monetary system >> x3 >> >> The keyword (or phrase, in this case,) is "money subunits". So all the >> gismu sumti need to have that. >> Your automatic generation produced: >> >> lo fepni a thing measured in money subunits >> lo se fepni a quantity of money subunits >> lo te fepni a monetary system >> >> {lo te fepni} should be changed to "a monetary system with money subunit= s" >> >> This is especially important in cases such as the following: >> >> gapru x1 is directly above x2 in reference frame x3 >> lo gapru something above >> lo se gapru something beneath >> lo te gapru a reference frame of aboveness >> >> cnita x1 is directly beneath or below x2 in reference frame x3 >> lo cnita something beneath >> lo se cnita something above >> lo te cnita a reference frame of beneathness >> >> {lo gapru} =3D {lo se cnita}, {lo se gapru} =3D {lo cnita} >> >> If Smart.fm quizzes on {lo gapru}, for instance, and displays the correc= t >> answer for {lo se cnita}, a learners answering with that will be told th= e >> answer is incorrect, even though, technically, it's not. >> >> In this case, {lo se gapru} can be changed to "something to which >> something is above", and {lo se cnita} to "something to which something = is >> beneath". (The "to which" bit isn't absolutely necessary, but "something >> something ...." sounds odd to me. There may be a better way of phrasing = it >> than I've put here, but I can't think of it.) >> >> Secondly, many of the definitions are in the form "a thing ...." or "a .= .. >> thing". I would prefer those to be "something ....". "a thing ...." is >> easily corrected with a simple find/replace and I've already done that w= ith >> the document. >> >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Robin Lee Powell < >> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >> >>> Erm. Sorry, sorting it means that you have no easy way to figure >>> out which stuff I added. My bad. >>> >>> http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu.tsv >>> >>> I'll re-sort it when I upload. >>> >>> This used the google doc as a starting point and filled in anything >>> that was blank. >>> >>> -Robin >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:52:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>> > http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu_sorted.tsv >>> > >>> > That's sorted by frequency of usage, so you don't spend a bunch of >>> > time learning random crap. >>> > >>> > Now, what about the cmavo? >>> > >>> > -Robin >>> > >>> > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 02:56:46PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> > > Sounds good to me. >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell >>> > > <[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > OK, but it sounded like you'd have to manually copy and paste >>> > > whatever I do, which is a horrible waste of effort. >>> > > >>> > > Since it's all just going to drive my script anyways, I think = it >>> > > would be better if you just edit what I come up with directly, >>> and >>> > > send it back. >>> > > -Robin >>> > > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:03:35PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote= : >>> > > > Honestly, I'd much rather edit the items BEFORE they are >>> uploaded >>> > > > to Smart.fm, because that would be easier and much less time >>> > > > consuming. >>> > > > >>> > > > I doubt you've ever tried to edit an item on Smart.fm, so ta= ke >>> my >>> > > > word for it that it is at least five times as difficult to >>> edit an >>> > > > item after being uploaded than it is to double-check the ite= ms >>> in >>> > > > a document beforehand- which as far as I'm concerned is the >>> main >>> > > > reason for the Google doc. >>> > > > >>> > > > If you can give me the gismu sumti, and some time to double >>> check >>> > > > the list so that we won't need to worry about editing the >>> items >>> > > > after the upload, I can fix up the Google doc to be exactly >>> what >>> > > > your script needs, with all the needed information and >>> formatting. >>> > > > >>> > > > On 3/7/10, Robin Lee Powell <[2]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> >>> wrote: >>> > > > > That would be my site, and those would be my scripts, and >>> the sound >>> > > > > uploads via API are *still* broken: >>> > > > > [3]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >>> > > > > >>> > > > > There's a workaround, though; give me a day or so and I'll >>> have a >>> > > > > complete upload done with good-enough text, which y'all ca= n >>> then >>> > > > > edit to your heart's content (since I'm told people can be >>> allowed >>> > > > > to edit each other's items now). >>> > > > > >>> > > > > Anybody who wants to edit the results should send me their >>> > > [4]smart.fm >>> > > > > userid. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > -Robin >>> > > > > >>> > > > > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:25:43AM -0700, Jonathan Jones >>> wrote: >>> > > > >> Okay, a little Google search and I found the following >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> >>> > > site:=EF=BF=BD[1][5] >>> http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM, >>> > > > >> which has two Ruby scripts specifically for mass >>> uploading >>> > > items. >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Jones >>> > > <[2][6]eyeonus@gmail.com> >>> > > > >> wrote: >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> Okay, but what about uploading the items themselves? >>> As far as >>> > > I know >>> > > > >> they haven't even done that bit yet. >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Robin Lee Powell >>> > > > >> <[3][7]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:38:37PM +0100, Timo >>> Paulssen >>> > > wrote: >>> > > > >> > [4][8]smart.fm already offers an interface that = a >>> script >>> > > can access, >>> > > > >> the >>> > > > >> > website itself. With the right tools, it should = be >>> > > possible to >>> > > > >> > mass-upload the valsi definitions as well as the >>> sounds >>> > > without >>> > > > >> > the [5][9]smart.fm folks having to expose any >>> other kind >>> > > of API to >>> > > > >> us. >>> > > > >> I >>> > > > >> > dunno if rlp knows how to best do that, though. >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> The sound uploads via API are broken: >>> > > > >> [6][10]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> I suppose I could use the HTTP based upload instea= d >>> of the >>> > > > >> multipart >>> > > > >> upload; just makes the script less useful to other >>> people. >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> -Robin >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> -- >>> > > > >> They say: =EF=BF=BD"The first AIs will be built by= the >>> military as >>> > > > >> weapons." >>> > > > >> And I'm =EF=BF=BDthinking: =EF=BF=BD"Does it even = occur to you to >>> try for >>> > > something >>> > > > >> other =EF=BF=BDthan =EF=BF=BDthe default =EF=BF=BD= outcome?" =EF=BF=BDSee >>> > > > >> [7][11]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > > > >> [8][12]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ **= * >>> > > > >> [9][13]http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>> > > > >> [10][14]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > > >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to >>> > > > >> [11][15]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >>> > > > >> you're really stuck, send mail to >>> > > [12][16]secretary@lojban.org for >>> > > > >> help. >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> -- >>> > > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> -- >>> > > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> References >>> > > > >> >>> > > > >> Visible links >>> > > > >> 1. >>> > > [17] >>> http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM >>> > > > >> 2. mailto:[18]eyeonus@gmail.com >>> > > > >> 3. mailto:[19]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >>> > > > >> 4. [20]http://smart.fm/ >>> > > > >> 5. [21]http://smart.fm/ >>> > > > >> 6. [22]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >>> > > > >> 7. [23]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > > > >> 8. [24]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >>> > > > >> 9. [25]http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > > > >> 10. mailto:[26]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > > >> 11. [27]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >>> > > > >> 12. mailto:[28]secretary@lojban.org >>> > > > > >>> > > > > -- >>> > > > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as >>> weapons." >>> > > > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for >>> something >>> > > > > other than the default outcome?" See >>> > > [29]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > > > > [30]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** >>> > > [31]http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>> > > [32]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to >>> > > [33]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >>> > > > > you're really stuck, send mail to [34]secretary@lojban.org= for help. >>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > -- >>> > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> > > > >>> > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>> > > [35]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to >>> > > [36]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if >>> > > > you're really stuck, send mail to [37]secretary@lojban.orgfo= r help. >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as >>> weapons." >>> > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for >>> something >>> > > other than the default outcome?" See [38] >>> http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > > [39]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** >>> > > [40]http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > > >>> > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>> > > [41]lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to [42] >>> http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, >>> > > or if >>> > > you're really stuck, send mail to [43]secretary@lojban.org for >>> help. >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>> > > >>> > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> > > >>> > > References >>> > > >>> > > Visible links >>> > > 1. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >>> > > 2. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >>> > > 3. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >>> > > 4. http://smart.fm/ >>> > > 5. >>> http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM >>> > > 6. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com >>> > > 7. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >>> > > 8. http://smart.fm/ >>> > > 9. http://smart.fm/ >>> > > 10. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >>> > > 11. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > > 12. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >>> > > 13. http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > > 14. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > 15. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >>> > > 16. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >>> > > 17. >>> http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM >>> > > 18. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com >>> > > 19. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org >>> > > 20. http://smart.fm/ >>> > > 21. http://smart.fm/ >>> > > 22. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134 >>> > > 23. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > > 24. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >>> > > 25. http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > > 26. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > 27. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >>> > > 28. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >>> > > 29. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > > 30. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >>> > > 31. http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > > 32. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > 33. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >>> > > 34. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >>> > > 35. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > 36. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >>> > > 37. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >>> > > 38. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > > 39. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ >>> > > 40. http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > > 41. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > > 42. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ >>> > > 43. mailto:secretary@lojban.org >>> > >>> > -- >>> > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >>> > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something >>> > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >>> > >>> > >>> > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, o= r >>> if >>> > you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >>> > >>> >>> -- >>> They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." >>> And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something >>> other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz >>> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ >>> >>> >>> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >>> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >>> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or >>> if >>> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e6d7e925585a9c04814cc579 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I uploaded your sheet to this address:=C2=A0http://spreadsheets.google.co= m/ccc?key=3Dte2hJCi1lXAbTNr176WqWJg

At this po= int I've gotten as far as {lo se gleki}. All the items with a green bac= kground have been checked, the white ones haven't yet. I'll work on= it a bit more later, but I think it'll be 3 or 4 days before I finish = checking them all.

When I'm finished, I'll send it back to you as = a .tsv file.

On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:20 = AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Then we have things like this:
lo se fraxu a receive forgivenesser

Which ought to be "a receiver of forgiveness".

=
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com><= /span> wrote:
I had to convert it into a Google doc to edit it, due to limitations with t= he public computer I'm using. (Not having your own computer sucks, and = I will be VERY happy when I get mine back.)

So far, I've go= tten to {lo se fraso}, and your automatic generation leaves a lot to be des= ired. That is at least partly my fault.

The gismu sumti all need to have the keyword in their d= efinitions. This way learners will be able to identify which gismu it is a = sumti of, which I believe should make the gismu sumti easier to memorize, a= nd to prevent technically correct wrong answers. For instance:

fepni x1 is= measured in money subunits as quantity x2 in monetary system x3
=
The keyword (or phrase, in this case,) is "money subuni= ts". So all the gismu sumti need to have that.
Your automatic generation produced:

lo fepni<= span style=3D"white-space:pre"> a thing measured in money subunits
lo se fepni a quantity of m= oney subunits
lo te fepni a monetary system

{lo te fepni} should be changed to "a monetary= system with money subunits"

This is especially important in cases such as the following:

gapru x1 is dir= ectly above x2 in reference frame x3
lo gapru something above
lo se gapru something beneath
lo te gapru a reference fra= me of aboveness

cnita x1 is directly= beneath or below x2 in reference frame x3
lo cnita something beneath
lo se cnita something above
lo te cnita a reference frame= of beneathness

{lo gapru} =3D {lo se cnita}, {lo se gapru} =3D {lo = cnita}

If Smart.fm quizzes on {lo gapru}, for inst= ance, and displays the correct answer for {lo se cnita}, a learners answeri= ng with that will be told the answer is incorrect, even though, technically= , it's not.

In this case, {lo se gapru} can be changed to "som= ething to which something is above", and {lo se cnita} to "someth= ing to which something is beneath". (The "to which" bit isn&= #39;t absolutely necessary, but "something something ...." sounds= odd to me. There may be a better way of phrasing it than I've put here= , but I can't think of it.)

Secondly, many of the definitions are in the form "= ;a thing ...." or "a ... thing". I would prefer those to be = "something ....". "a thing ...." is easily corrected wi= th a simple find/replace and I've already done that with the document.<= br>

On Sun, Mar = 7, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.or= g> wrote:
Erm. =C2=A0Sorry, sorting it means that you have no easy way to figure
out which stuff I added. =C2=A0My bad.

http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simplified_gismu.= tsv

I'll re-sort it when I upload.

This used the google doc as a starting point and filled in anything
that was blank.

-Robin

On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:52:32PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
> http://teddyb.org/~rlpowell/public_media/simpl= ified_gismu_sorted.tsv
>
> That's sorted by frequency of usage, so you don't spend a bunc= h of
> time learning random crap.
>
> Now, what about the cmavo?
>
> -Robin
>
> On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 02:56:46PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sounds good to me.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Robin Lee Powell
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0OK, but it sounded like you'd have to man= ually copy and paste
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0whatever I do, which is a horrible waste of e= ffort.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Since it's all just going to drive my scr= ipt anyways, I think it
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0would be better if you just edit what I come = up with directly, and
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0send it back.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Robin
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 01:03:35PM -0700, Jon= athan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Honestly, I'd much rather edit the i= tems BEFORE they are uploaded
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to Smart.fm, because that would be easie= r and much less time
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> consuming.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I doubt you've ever tried to edit an= item on Smart.fm, so take my
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> word for it that it is at least five tim= es as difficult to edit an
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> item after being uploaded than it is to = double-check the items in
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> a document beforehand- which as far as I= 'm concerned is the main
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> reason for the Google doc.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> If you can give me the gismu sumti, and = some time to double check
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the list so that we won't need to wo= rry about editing the items
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> after the upload, I can fix up the Googl= e doc to be exactly what
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> your script needs, with all the needed i= nformation and formatting.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 3/7/10, Robin Lee Powell <[2]rlpowell@digita= lkingdom.org> wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > That would be my site, and those wo= uld be my scripts, and the sound
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > uploads via API are *still* broken:=
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > [3]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/re= ad/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > There's a workaround, though; g= ive me a day or so and I'll have a
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > complete upload done with good-enou= gh text, which y'all can then
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > edit to your heart's content (s= ince I'm told people can be allowed
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > to edit each other's items now)= .
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > Anybody who wants to edit the resul= ts should send me their
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[4]smart.fm
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > userid.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > -Robin
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > On Sun, Mar 07, 2010 at 11:25:43AM = -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, a little Goo= gle search and I found the following
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0site:=EF=BF=BD[1][5]ht= tp://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM,
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0which has two Ruby= scripts specifically for mass uploading
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0items.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar 7, 201= 0 at 11:00 AM, Jonathan Jones
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[2][6]eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Okay, but w= hat about uploading the items themselves? As far as
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I know
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0they haven&= #39;t even done that bit yet.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Sun, Mar= 7, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Robin Lee Powell
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<[3][7]<= a href=3D"mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org" target=3D"_blank">rlpowell@di= gitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On S= un, Mar 07, 2010 at 05:38:37PM +0100, Timo Paulssen
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0wrote:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= [4][8]smart.fm already o= ffers an interface that a script
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0can access,
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the<= br> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= website itself. With the right tools, it should be
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= mass-upload the valsi definitions as well as the sounds
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0without
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= the [5][9]smart.fm folks= having to expose any other kind
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0of API to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> us.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>= dunno if rlp knows how to best do that, though.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The = sound uploads via API are broken:
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[6][= 10]http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I su= ppose I could use the HTTP based upload instead of the
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> multipart
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0uplo= ad; just makes the script less useful to other people.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Rob= in
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-- > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0They= say: =EF=BF=BD"The first AIs will be built by the military as
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And = I'm =EF=BF=BDthinking: =EF=BF=BD"Does it even occur to you to try = for
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0othe= r =EF=BF=BDthan =EF=BF=BDthe default =EF=BF=BDoutcome?" =EF=BF=BDSee > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> [7][11]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[8][= 12]h= ttp://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[9][= 13]http://www.lojban.o= rg/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0To u= nsubscribe from this list, send mail to
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with= the subject unsubscribe, or go to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[11]= [15]http://www.lo= jban.org/lsg2/, or if
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you&= #39;re really stuck, send mail to
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[12][16]secretary@lojban.org for
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> help.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi= 'e .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.= e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi'e = .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.e'e= ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> References
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visible links
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A01.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[17]http://teddyb.org/= rlp/tiki-index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A02. mailto:[18]eyeonus@gmail.com > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A03. mailto:[19]rlpowell@digit= alkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A04. [20]http://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A05. [21]http://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A06. [22]http://develo= per.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A07. [23]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A08. [24]http://www.digi= talkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 =C2=A09. [25]http://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 10. mailto:[26]lojban-list-re= quest@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 11. [27]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >> =C2=A0 12. mailto:[28]secretary@lojban.org=
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > --
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs= will be built by the military as weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0&= quot;Does it even occur to you to try for something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default = =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[29]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > [30]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpo= well/ ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[31]http://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > To unsubscribe from this list, send= mail to
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[33]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or if
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> > you're really stuck, send mail = to [34]secretary@= lojban.org for help.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> --
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe = denpa bu
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail= to
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> you're really stuck, send mail to [3= 7]secretary@lojba= n.org for help.
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs will be b= uilt by the military as weapons."
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does = it even occur to you to try for something
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outc= ome?" =C2=A0See [38]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[39]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ = ***
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0[40]http://www.lojban.org/
> >
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> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or if
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you're really stuck, send mail to [43]secretary@lojban.org= for help.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0--
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> > References
> >
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0Visible links
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A01. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A02. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A03. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A04. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A05. http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki= -index.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A06. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A07. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A08. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 =C2=A09. ht= tp://smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 10. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 11. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 12. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 13. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 14. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 15. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 16. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 17. http://teddyb.org/rlp/tiki-in= dex.php?page=3DMass+Upload+To+Smart.FM
> > =C2=A0 18. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> > =C2=A0 19. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org
> > =C2=A0 20. http://= smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 21. http://= smart.fm/
> > =C2=A0 22. http://developer.smart.fm/forum/read/67134
> > =C2=A0 23. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 24. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 25. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 26. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 27. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 28. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 29. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 30. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 31. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 32. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 33. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 34. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 35. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 36. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 37. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 38. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > =C2=A0 39. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/
> > =C2=A0 40. h= ttp://www.lojban.org/
> > =C2=A0 41. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org
> > =C2=A0 42. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/
> > =C2=A0 43. mailto:secretary@lojban.org
>
> --
> They say: =C2=A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as w= eapons."
> And I'm =C2=A0thinking: =C2=A0"Does it even occur to you to t= ry for something
> other =C2=A0than =C2=A0the default =C2=A0outcome?" =C2=A0See http://shrunklink.com/= cdiz
> http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
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