From jjllambias@gmail.com Fri Mar 12 06:11:56 2010 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq5ac-0003z4-5C for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:11:55 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so1111809bwz.26 for ; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:11:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=O3eiDe4SipCMAy7OoPWWOlj/ugYzDmqA5kUClSq4INw=; b=NRkrs2ob5Zy30Ts5iq3ndgmbmB+m0O0Vur5fZ4WvARVeWIc4hRQhA802XNkmDQEA1l LeTJFavslqxBP8Ryl1aFKDUJysvpELovFftG9WRGKOLJDDJv6RHQzg4Fucg+EXNW1oas xsfAzb0TKWq+pekPOW6iI42bDDkmCdfxKnyFY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ar314IMy7RLrP0wQWvLFSVZJ4YvBjK0o+iwY1W/Xm9K8U6nyx+CA0uBglhV+zbVYIo wl/cn+iCjEPwBJfuXTVFv/EPoFhTmEwZeV7RD2LEEvgefOjj1sKrOx6WSlbTwqNMd0BQ FkpuNeH+XS5nP8fM2swYSm4++uU/M36rXMFIg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.6.203 with SMTP id a11mr1279981bka.33.1268403097600; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 06:11:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <96f789a61003120602s47cb9b94p20cf5cbd9776990c@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <96f789a61003120602s47cb9b94p20cf5cbd9776990c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 11:11:37 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003120611x3f71d5baydd1a8019b336eddb@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Michael Turniansky wrote: > > =A0ISTM that "communicate" might be the best of all, because "say" > often does connote bacru, as Robin says...errr..communicates. But "communicate" doesn't normally have words as the object. You say words, you communicate ideas. "Say" is completely normal for written communication ("what does it say here?", "what did he say in his letter?"), and while I don't have much experience with sign language, if I see two people signing I would not hesitate to say "I don't understand what they are saying". It seems to me that "say" does not require bacru at all. The salient point about "cusku" is that the x2 is text/words/sign, and that is exactly what the object of "say" is. mu'o mi'e xorxes