From eyeonus@gmail.com Wed Mar 03 07:06:56 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nmq9u-0005e4-9V for lojban-list@lojban.org; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:06:55 -0800 Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18so838485wwi.40 for ; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:06:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=bzQc515K9OrcHOq0Ky2lq1P7w1ktWYmRiOvDrcipjH4=; b=bU1+F12u365fO5Lirr/KSF13WtmgwAAvCKoJXybz69R66Ee8Wp/kbvPTwOYU/si9jC /y7DnmdohxMJAk7tcPOcPEJ5CxWKk6eVpSCAvyfcwR1c5gdbIXFkw5hhodE+oUGUxrfZ hp17a80hjVbrLcRgaFgjTex56A1GF6RKOPzuQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=JXiVQVQAdjfQ6tEM0k7bjQnviu4uaEZKvVZgJ9fwWzNhysiwCVgnrZRmTi81Qs5O// 2COrz56/Wqe5LDc/RRpK6DXISIUozzbT/exfb178FWhg70hgxTbSWhKS52uz7m1BiR3t 4lFmtE/D+rrcW8cBluXx3wrSl1x2MBjP64kxM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.159.130 with SMTP id s2mr1087574wek.13.1267628799870; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 07:06:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <27513e551002212150u42e9dbcbv8115a83795dbb393@mail.gmail.com> <20100222160244.GS31805@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1002250800xdc52e09g3e17856b5d67f30f@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003010648r3b2376a1w93d7a792af638da4@mail.gmail.com> <33739.83087.qm@web50405.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <20100302194118.GH1159@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003021251n1f442ec7nb9f5fb0bb8a13c23@mail.gmail.com> <20100302214224.GI1159@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 08:06:39 -0700 Message-ID: <702226df1003030706p4dd9aa13h33e6613f3297c314@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lindar is very nice to volunteer! (was Re: Re: smart.fm and fooling text-to-speech) From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e650645452cc7e0480e6d403 --0016e650645452cc7e0480e6d403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm putting the items into the lesson in alphabetical order. The lesson wil= l be in alphabetical order. The purpose of the lesson is to learn the gismu, including the various places. It is not intended to be used in conjunction with any other learning materials. It is possible- and rather easy, to put the same item into multiple lessons= . It would not be difficult to, for instance, make a "Lojban for Beginners" lesson, and add the items in the "Lojban gismu" lesson to it in the order they appear in the "Lojban for Beginners" lessons. The teaching programs in Smart.fm do not necessarily go in alphabetical order. The iKnow! program *starts* in the order that the items are entered in, but as you progress, the items that you remember better appear less often, while those you are having trouble with appear more often, without regard to the original order they appear in. Drill Beta seems to be about the same as iKnow!, with minor differences. BrainSpeed, which is a review program, never bothers with the order of the items, but merely chooses them at random. On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Geoffrey Beresford w= rote: > I know this is a bit further down the line, but right now the smartfm wor= ds > are learned in alphabetical order. What about making the order sync up wi= th > the order they're introduced in Lojban For Beginners (or whatever > lojban-learning text people vote for)? This would make smart.fm a much > more useful tool for people learning lojban from the chosen text. > Not as important for people who already know all/most of the lojban > vocabulary, but really important for beginners. > > -Geoff > > > On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 01:51:58PM -0700, Jonathan Jones wrote: >> > Now we wait for Lindar to run the program that will >> > automatically generate the sound files for the entries, which >> > are all listed in alphabetical order in column 'H' of page >> > 'items' in document '[1]tinyurl.com/smartfmgismu', wait for it >> > to finish, and upload them to >> > '[2]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/valsi+Sound+Files'. >> >> I'm sorry, what are you talking about? What program? Why would >> Lindar run it; Lindar just dropped out? I'm *totally* lost. >> >> My question was intended to be a largely rhetorical shot at Lindar, >> btw. I'm assuming the next step is for either someone else to offer >> to do the recording, or for us to just use espeak (possibly to >> replace later). >> >> Why did anyone even write tinyurl.com/smartfmgismu ? I don't >> understand why simplifying things for smart.fm is a good idea at >> all, and even if it is, it can be done with a few minutes' >> scripting, or pulling the data from jbofihe (which already has >> phrases for all the gismu places). >> >> > I can't do this myself due to not having access to my computer at >> this >> > point, but you could probably bash script it. Assuming that Orca is >> on >> > Linux, and operates as >orca {input text} {output file} -{options}, >> the >> > actual recording execution would be 'orca %1 %1.mp3', with a for lo= op >> to >> > read in each of the column 'H' entries into %1. The hard part, I >> imagine, >> > would be extracting column 'H' into a text file. >> > =EF=BF=BD >> > So, at a guess, maybe 5 minutes to extract 'H', 10 minutes to code >> the >> > bash script, 45 minutes to debug and make sure it works correctly. >> So, my >> > conservative estimate on the amount of time it would take to record >> an >> > audio file for each of the entries is two hours, not including the >> amount >> > of time spent leaving the computer on and waiting for the script to >> > finish, or the time required to upload the files (archived or >> otherwise) >> > to '[4]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/valsi+Sound+Files'. >> >> If that's you volunteering, please feel free. >> >> -Robin >> >> >> To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to >> lojban-list-request@lojban.org >> with the subject unsubscribe, or go to http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, or i= f >> you're really stuck, send mail to secretary@lojban.org for help. >> >> > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --0016e650645452cc7e0480e6d403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm putting the items into the lesson in alphabetical order. The lesson= will be in alphabetical order. The purpose of the lesson is to learn the g= ismu, including the various places. It is not intended to be used in conjun= ction with any other learning materials.

It is possible- and rather easy, to put the same item into m= ultiple lessons. It would not be difficult to, for instance, make a "L= ojban for Beginners" lesson, and add the items in the "Lojban gis= mu" lesson to it in the order they appear in the "Lojban for Begi= nners" lessons.

The teaching programs in Smart.fm do not necessarily go= in alphabetical order. The iKnow! program starts=C2=A0in the order = that the items are entered in, but as you progress, the items that you reme= mber better appear less often, while those you are having trouble with appe= ar more often, without regard to the original order they appear in.=C2=A0Dr= ill Beta seems to be about the same as iKnow!, with minor differences.=C2= =A0BrainSpeed, which is a review program, never bothers with the order of t= he items, but merely chooses them at random.

On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Geoffre= y Beresford <= gfberesford@gmail.com> wrote:
I know this is a bit further down the line, but right now the smartfm words= are learned in alphabetical order. What about making the order sync up wit= h the order they're introduced in Lojban For Beginners (or whatever loj= ban-learning text people vote for)? This would make smart.fm a much more useful tool for people lear= ning lojban from the chosen text.=C2=A0
Not as important for people who already know all/most of the lojban vocabul= ary, but really important for beginners.

-Geoff


On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:42= PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 02, 2010 at 01:51:58PM -070= 0, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Now we wait for Lindar to run the program that will
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0automatically generate the sound files for the entries, w= hich
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0are all listed in alphabetical order in column 'H'= ; of page
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0'items' in document '[1]tinyurl.com/smartfmgismu= ', wait for it
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0to finish, and upload them to
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0'[2]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/valsi+Sound+File= s'.

I'm sorry, what are you talking about? =C2=A0What program? =C2=A0Why wo= uld
Lindar run it; Lindar just dropped out? =C2=A0I'm *totally* lost.

My question was intended to be a largely rhetorical shot at Lindar,
btw. =C2=A0I'm assuming the next step is for either someone else to off= er
to do the recording, or for us to just use espeak (possibly to
replace later).

Why did anyone even write tinyurl.com/smartfmgismu ? =C2=A0I don't
understand why simplifying things for smart.fm is a good idea at
all, and even if it is, it can be done with a few minutes'
scripting, or pulling the data from jbofihe (which already has
phrases for all the gismu places).

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0I can't do this myself due to not having access to my= computer at this
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0point, but you could probably bash script it. Assuming th= at Orca is on
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0Linux, and operates as >orca {input text} {output file= } -{options}, the
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0actual recording execution would be 'orca %1 %1.mp3&#= 39;, with a for loop to
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0read in each of the column 'H' entries into %1. T= he hard part, I imagine,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0would be extracting column 'H' into a text file.<= br> > =C2=A0 =C2=A0=EF=BF=BD
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0So, at a guess, maybe 5 minutes to extract 'H', 1= 0 minutes to code the
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0bash script, 45 minutes to debug and make sure it works c= orrectly. So, my
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0conservative estimate on the amount of time it would take= to record an
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0audio file for each of the entries is two hours, not incl= uding the amount
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0of time spent leaving the computer on and waiting for the= script to
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0finish, or the time required to upload the files (archive= d or otherwise)
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0to '[4]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/valsi+Sound+F= iles'.

If that's you volunteering, please feel free.

-Robin


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