From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 12 10:51:24 2010 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nq9xE-0005jN-D7 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:51:24 -0800 Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:51:24 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? Message-ID: <20100312185124.GM10385@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> <249d5b951003121047r7b5c835evc8d9d9a79b54ba30@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <249d5b951003121047r7b5c835evc8d9d9a79b54ba30@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Agreed. -Robin On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 01:47:47PM -0500, MorphemeAddict wrote: > Robin, > Do you mean that you say things like "What did you talk to him?" and "We > said for hours"? > "Say" and "talk" generally take different kinds of arguments, and it's > only in their both being speech acts that they're synonyms. >   > stevo > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Robin Lee Powell > <[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 10:10:37AM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > The difference between saying and talking is that you say words > > and you talk about things. So all three, say, talk and express, > > are different. All three can be done with sign language or in > > writing, as far as I understand. > > That's not how I use the words. > > "say" and "talk" are pure synonyms, and mean spoken expression, > "express" is medium-agnostic. > > Hence, since "cusku" has a "medium" place, it is "express" to me. > > If cusku is "say" and tavla is "talk", for flashcard memorization > purposes, I'm going to confuse them a lot.  I expect, but do not > know, that other native speakers would have the same problem. > > For purposes other than flashcard memorization, it doesn't matter: > the place structure speaks (hah!) for itself. > > -Robin > -- > They say:  "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm  thinking:  "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other  than  the default  outcome?"  See [2]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > [3]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** > [4]http://www.lojban.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > [5]lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to [6]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > or if > you're really stuck, send mail to [7]secretary@lojban.org for help. > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org > 2. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > 3. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > 4. http://www.lojban.org/ > 5. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org > 6. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > 7. mailto:secretary@lojban.org -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/