From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Sat Mar 13 13:28:57 2010 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NqYtF-0001wS-8v for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:28:57 -0800 Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:28:57 -0800 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: A different way to do the flashcards (was Re: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express?) Message-ID: <20100313212857.GA25330@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121116t634e3b47xe5e4105e225ba491@mail.gmail.com> <20100312192042.GN10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121145x53ade2a3sdf2c6d443cce8854@mail.gmail.com> <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121311m422cf3bbjf82ee369a9b6c33b@mail.gmail.com> <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) smart.fm actually *does* use whole phrases, like "an expresser" or "a sayer" for "lo cusku". What I'm wondering is if it shouldn't instead say "a sayer (place 1 of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)". That is, have both the short form *and* the place structure. The big advantage there is that instead of saying "an audience of something said", we can say "an audience (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4), which semems far more natural to me. Oddly. :) I've just tested with "lo te cusku", by the way, and even when stuff doesn't fit on a card proprerly, it looks fine in iKnow and Drill. Drill can't handle stuff much longer than "an audience for expression (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)", but it can handle that, and a few more words extra I expect, so it can probably handle this format in general. You can try http://smart.fm/goals/270376 to see what it looks like (test 5 is that phrase). -Robin On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 04:28:13PM -0500, Robert Slaughter wrote: > On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 18:11 -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote: > > You and I already know well what "cusku" means, so whatever keyword > you choose won't affect you or me. If your argument is that English > speakers in general get confused about the meaning of "say", to the > extent that they can't readily distinguish it from "talk" without > context, well, maybe a single keyword is just not the answer. > > Looking over the discussion today, maybe this point made in passing by > xorxes should be reviewed. I've always though that the single keyword > idea, as used in logflash (for example), was a weak match, but a short > key-phrase might work better for capturing the underlying meaning of the > lojban words -- nor just gismu, but the more troublesome cmavo as well. > > -- > Bob Slaughter, [1]rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com > [2]http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ > North Georgia Modurail: [3]http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ > "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein< > "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men." -- Plato > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:rslauGUESS@whatmindspring.com > 2. http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ > 3. http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/