From lamelnyk@gmail.com Sun Mar 14 00:19:16 2010 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqj2S-00047b-Ek for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:19:14 -0800 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so2435323bwz.26 for ; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:19:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UmZpzSk7i0YbHXo9qKM8SbxjfFqfYyv2vOPTGBqzfuU=; b=NsS9JqUS+nwCbBnriWO+fdLLrI/BlrClscEVwCVCJkCA7ZIQ79oWeit3hqGuGr9WGC j8n+WgXANzwiAkXEZsczEWvmMWRU/YvOBpFz/OUJzNE19uCFLaSxAh5SwmaiH4vsj+Z2 MWwFAy5PnGFMSKBQwc8CI7l3IZ1lx7wRBW7sk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=uUbgiMKS6F+0bgynEmtLL9F8bSKkUIs2/qJTvhP1wLaL8e3MOjxbszsxOfDPZByCrA cegZYytmeWYNvLczuERmQrQWGR2vBNQ8ZmvPs9aOeXwqR9W0oym9f25RUUsEQQELrbUA K/cpzn4hceCNJ/1FBXPZIc1OcygiX3TcKjxDI= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.138.212 with SMTP id b20mr4047244bku.63.1268554740384; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 00:19:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <20100313212857.GA25330@digitalkingdom.org> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121116t634e3b47xe5e4105e225ba491@mail.gmail.com> <20100312192042.GN10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121145x53ade2a3sdf2c6d443cce8854@mail.gmail.com> <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121311m422cf3bbjf82ee369a9b6c33b@mail.gmail.com> <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> <20100313212857.GA25330@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 10:19:00 +0200 Message-ID: <5a3750121003140019s6b201b2p77168c0b74a67139@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] A different way to do the flashcards (was Re: Re: cusku - say or express?) From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've tried to use "x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4", and found it to be irritating/boring. So, I've formatted this to something like(just ignore that weird symbols, the formatting matters): >=D7=D9=D3=CB=C1=DA=D9=D7=C1=C5=D4 >=D4=C5=CB=D3=D4 >=C1=D5=C4=C9=D4=CF=D2=C9=C9 >=D3=D0=CF=D3=CF=C2=CF=CD where "line number" is used for sumti place enumeration. That gives almost instant reading/parsing and recalls the whole concept at once. The recognition of "SE selbri" remains somewhat "untrained" , but it can be considered good thing, as the "other then first" places often have too similar terse translations, so, learning them separately would confuse the memory. 2010/3/13, Robin Lee Powell : > What I'm wondering is if it shouldn't instead say "a sayer (place 1 > of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)". That is, > have both the short form *and* the place structure. --=20 mu'o mi'e lex