From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Sun Mar 14 07:46:12 2010 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nqp4x-00036F-6M for lojban-list@lojban.org; Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:46:08 -0700 Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2010 07:46:07 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban-list@lojban.org Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: A different way to do the flashcards (was Re: Re: cusku - say or express?) Message-ID: <20100314144606.GP25330@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-list@lojban.org References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <20100312183050.GJ10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121116t634e3b47xe5e4105e225ba491@mail.gmail.com> <20100312192042.GN10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121145x53ade2a3sdf2c6d443cce8854@mail.gmail.com> <20100312195727.GO10385@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003121311m422cf3bbjf82ee369a9b6c33b@mail.gmail.com> <1268429293.26304.3.camel@thomas> <20100313212857.GA25330@digitalkingdom.org> <702226df1003140717r7143e44fkeda492a41eab4ccc@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <702226df1003140717r7143e44fkeda492a41eab4ccc@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Great idea! Hadn't thought of that. Given the upload rate limits ... give me about 5 days, maybe longer. Sorry. -Robin On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 08:17:15AM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I vote evolution (AKA survival of the fittest). > � > Put up both methods, and let the users decide which they want to use to > learn. > � > We've already got�everything needed for the lesson as I envisioned it, and > I assume that you've uploaded most, if not all of the lesson items for it > already. > � > I also assume that you could, with little effort, add the "place�n of > ...." bit to the lessons. > � > So, why not have both? > � > On Sat, Mar 13, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Robin Lee Powell > <[1]rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > [2]smart.fm actually *does* use whole phrases, like "an expresser" or > "a sayer" for "lo cusku". > > What I'm wondering is if it shouldn't instead say "a sayer (place 1 > of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive medium x4)". �That is, > have both the short form *and* the place structure. > > The big advantage there is that instead of saying "an audience of > something said", we can say "an audience (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for > audience x3 via expressive medium x4), which semems far more natural > to me. �Oddly. �:) > > I've just tested with "lo te cusku", by the way, and even when stuff > doesn't fit on a card proprerly, it looks fine in iKnow and Drill. > Drill can't handle stuff much longer than "an audience for > expression (place 3 of: x1 says x2 for audience x3 via expressive > medium x4)", but it can handle that, and a few more words extra I > expect, so it can probably handle this format in general. �You can > try [3]http://smart.fm/goals/270376 to see what it looks like (test 5 > is that phrase). > > -Robin > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 04:28:13PM -0500, Robert Slaughter wrote: > > � �On Fri, 2010-03-12 at 18:11 -0300, Jorge Llamb�as wrote: > > > > �You and I already know well what "cusku" means, so whatever keyword > > �you choose won't affect you or me. If your argument is that English > > �speakers in general get confused about the meaning of "say", to the > > �extent that they can't readily distinguish it from "talk" without > > �context, well, maybe a single keyword is just not the answer. > > > > � �Looking over the discussion today, maybe this point made in passing > by > > � �xorxes should be reviewed. I've always though that the single > keyword > > � �idea, as used in logflash (for example), was a weak match, but a > short > > � �key-phrase might work better for capturing the underlying meaning > of the > > � �lojban words -- nor just gismu, but the more troublesome cmavo as > well. > > > > -- > > Bob Slaughter, [1]rslauGUESS@WHATmindspring.com > > [2][4]http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ > > North Georgia Modurail: [3][5]http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ > > "The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but > because of those who look on and do nothing." -- Albert Einstein< > > "The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be > ruled by evil men." -- Plato > > > > References > > > > � �Visible links > > � �1. mailto:[6]rslauGUESS@whatmindspring.com > > � �2. [7]http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ > > � �3. [8]http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ > > -- > They say: �"The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm �thinking: �"Does it even occur to you to try for something > other �than �the default �outcome?" �See [9]http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > [10]http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** > [11]http://www.lojban.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to > [12]lojban-list-request@lojban.org > with the subject unsubscribe, or go to [13]http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/, > or if > you're really stuck, send mail to [14]secretary@lojban.org for help. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > References > > Visible links > 1. mailto:rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org > 2. http://smart.fm/ > 3. http://smart.fm/goals/270376 > 4. http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ > 5. http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ > 6. mailto:rslauGUESS@whatmindspring.com > 7. http://www.mindspring.com/~rslau/ > 8. http://www.trainweb.org/northgamodurail/ > 9. http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > 10. http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > 11. http://www.lojban.org/ > 12. mailto:lojban-list-request@lojban.org > 13. http://www.lojban.org/lsg2/ > 14. mailto:secretary@lojban.org -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/