From jjllambias@gmail.com Mon Mar 15 07:16:13 2010 Received: from mail-bw0-f219.google.com ([209.85.218.219]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NrB5R-0003eU-A9 for lojban-list@lojban.org; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:16:13 -0700 Received: by bwz19 with SMTP id 19so3339957bwz.26 for ; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:15:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=0vLdPvzwqMjwsfPNO1vtUH2zBocv1FYFpgEJ8vzrFj8=; b=kiQCMvW99HY2WsB8QFcnYsoV99EUmdI7bN7qv77TQlp2qkfgjvnh/Xfe9DQq+Swwle po0a2yoVAhZEY/4FGgo8Coe3KyRAwDvFYztll7MmLXM2cBdeeKWgA/H+I9uZhHnqgbmv HTDRuHJ73N7E0i1NyJoEz4hSiBiFCHOBfmC+0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Zto7hx8Kx4Y8zAtjOzkiADSLA2yyUcjxSevO67+doTsMu3aA1IT5boBuOENcYSSitQ Ro7zcm1osemj9WstcL/ipU9Mkm5jARwmgLo91HWyS2l0uXbDboCWdITj/jwbrkJNAKVh 8cFhsnKovYiX8minRGHCNXCKnZCQ9ZcHK+bDc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.4.139 with SMTP id 11mr7557722bkr.27.1268662558382; Mon, 15 Mar 2010 07:15:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <702226df1003150659g7bea1d29x2353d1bcc04073e5@mail.gmail.com> References: <925d17561003120510w5268cea2sdbf61cc89932839d@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003131143l278d2c46lbdfcf548e0d172ff@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003131226n5303477h1907741037570f1e@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003140705o682e399ufcdea6c30c490066@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003140757x45c83214ra3d26c5993ad2169@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003141219k55701cf3nb0acb31afdcba21b@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003141351t4ef5dc11r69e8ec60b5d55651@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003141432t2fe8bfc6j9fb44cdc026f8623@mail.gmail.com> <925d17561003141441w51949aa9h4554e8fd6ed8f28@mail.gmail.com> <702226df1003150659g7bea1d29x2353d1bcc04073e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:15:57 -0300 Message-ID: <925d17561003150715g66966388y3f57040e61f4500d@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: cusku - say or express? From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-list@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 10:59 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > 2010/3/14 Jorge Llamb=EDas >> >> Why does the verbal connotation of "say" bother you so much, but the >> same verbal connotation of "talk" doesn't? > > Do you have a better suggestion for tavla than talk? Because I don't. No, I think "talk" is the best one-word gloss for "tavla", just as "say" is the best one-word gloss for "cusku". I don't think "say" and "talk" are too similar (they are no more similar than "cusku" and "tavla"), and I don't think their vocal connotation is so strong that people won't realize that they can use them for non-vocal contexts. "Speak" would be my second choice for "tavla", but it is worse than "talk" in terms of connotations. "Say" and "talk" are almost perfect matches for "cusku" and "tavla", since they take the same kind of arguments and even the order of the arguments is as in English (which is of course not really a coincidence). mu'o mi'e xorxes