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spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/1dd117ccae813e2f X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/2b25cae2d8d44733 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday 08 February 2010 07:55:06 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > Not directly, the Book doesn't talk about syllable structure at all. > But the fact that there are no CVV cmavo with rising diphthongs > indicates that rising diphthongs are treated differently from falling > diphthongs. It's as if CiV and CuV start with a consonant cluster (or > a semi-cluster), so they can't be cmavo. In that case, I think that the initial "i" or "u" should be treated like a= =20 consonant, as far as how many can begin a syllable goes. So CCi and CCu=20 should be permitted, but not CCCi or CCCu, since a syllable can't begin wit= h=20 four consonants. I would, though, allow 'i or 'u onset. > I would limit the consonantal syllables to the 64 syllables formed by > a consonant plus l,m,n,r. No codas and no heavier onsets. That's all > that is needed for type-3 fu'ivla, and type-3 fu'ivla are the only > ones where I would use consonantal syllables. And exclusively for the > hyphen syllable, so I would never actually use vocalic "m" in fu'ivla. I think that whether a syllable is valid in a fu'ivla is independent of=20 whether it's a type-3 or type-4 fu'ivla. Changing the hyphen-letter to=20 another syllabic consonant should not affect its validity, unless an invali= d=20 consonant cluster results. Thus "visrda" is valid, so=20 is "visnda"; "lerldjamo" is valid, so is "lermdjamo". Pierre --=20 li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.