From 3S4yuSwgSBtEE8CBJ1880535Gx875A30B9.BE38B6yxA3BB3813EBHCF.zB9@groups.bounces.google.com Sat Mar 27 15:53:26 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3S4yuSwgSBtEE8CBJ1880535Gx875A30B9.BE38B6yxA3BB3813EBHCF.zB9@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nvesa-0006az-Tl for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:53:25 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf3021062pvb.16 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:53:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url :x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=9UK1H47wP3NO5omSvG4vQNUQESvrHGquUlDK1JZkkHo=; b=4tiGWHwb2jMZ2sTC/uMr7Sz/b1+yra8gj68R3NZZCE9dXoJDOuZ5jjI14Bwyh8+Uhm diw8g9hs4K7OBvQ4cxh4zelqwtzCcoP4rwXHk8gvSY71WuiUfCqUPjyNMmC2eSLA4lYl LtXbII/fjLM+L5eSybBUvzN3jxC3RNtTBEr4c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url :x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=pkBvKUi97qsUpjvtM+ci8WZHBBkTp2vNrOrO6UMdzYvCRxZ8PfkmzLHIDpQzO8mYL2 482F5rx+YfY7DFnXGxaHaoX5iTFcnP3AJGE8fAns5OIbf68i0yNRgQyruSZnQt05yeJL mFJiNeDO7jOrn/fVcs5UKsH9m0Mlm5rtdr7K4= Received: by 10.142.250.38 with SMTP id x38mr83412wfh.1.1269730379611; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:52:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.8.28 with SMTP id 28ls1646286wfh.0.p; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr489942wfh.15.1269730378743; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.8.2 with SMTP id 2mr489941wfh.15.1269730378722; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.8]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si639208pzk.2.2010.03.27.15.52.58; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.8; Received: (qmail 1779 invoked from network); 27 Mar 2010 22:52:58 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 27 Mar 2010 22:52:58 -0000 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NvesC-0006Ze-G8 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:52:56 -0700 Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 15:52:56 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] cmavo list on smart.fm Message-ID: <20100327225256.GA32085@digitalkingdom.org> References: <20100326192151.GF32085@digitalkingdom.org> <27513e551003261719h701eef62y75588a36ba6279cd@mail.gmail.com> <20100327003436.GL32085@digitalkingdom.org> <20100327004723.GM32085@digitalkingdom.org> <925d17561003270826k24d97b18i8d2f7334b94400c8@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <925d17561003270826k24d97b18i8d2f7334b94400c8@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.8 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/974cf8a7589023b7 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/6e708b2614195fa8 Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1 -Robin On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 12:26:13PM -0300, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 9:47 PM, Robin Lee Powell > wrote: > > > > I've compromised slightly, by the way; it's actually the keyword > > plus the first bit of the "definition"; up to the first : or ; >=20 > I just want to strongly emphasize here the scare quotes around "definitio= n". >=20 > > This just give a bit more detail, for learning. =A0Examples: >=20 > I would scarequote "learning" too. It should be strongly emphasized > that memorizing keywords, most especially in the case of cmavo, is in > most cases nowhere near learning those words. >=20 > For example: >=20 > > se =A0 =A0 =A02nd conversion (2nd conversion) >=20 > If you don't already know what "se" does, "2nd conversion" tells you > next to nothing about "se". >=20 > Even if you do have a vague idea, it still doesn't tell you whether > "se broda brode" is "(se broda) brode" or "se (broda brode)" for > example, so learning "se" involves something other than flashcards. >=20 > > lo =A0 =A0 =A0the really is (veridical descriptor) >=20 > which is ok, as long as you don't get the impression that "lo" is a > definite article because "the" is a definite article, or that "really" > has anything to do with existence as opposed to veridicality, or that > "is" implies singular, and so on. I'm not proposing any alternative > better keyword, but people should be reminded that learning keywords > is not the same as learning what the word means or how to use it, and > this is especially true for structure words. So flashcards are fine in > helping with memorization of cmavo you have already learned, not so > good for learning cmavo you have never met before. >=20 > /end rant >=20 > mu'o mi'e xorxes >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.