From 3K4-uSwQNBrQjbgUjbgU.ijnom.hofidVUhaiiafYaliojm.Wig@groups.bounces.google.com Sat Mar 27 16:05:41 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f170.google.com ([209.85.221.170]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3K4-uSwQNBrQjbgUjbgU.ijnom.hofidVUhaiiafYaliojm.Wig@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1Nvf4T-0007ZV-6E for lojban-list-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:05:41 -0700 Received: by qyk42 with SMTP id 42sf3158597qyk.7 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:05:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url :x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=s6d82bXRNkMZ6RD/Dwl4G7JWiamQdlb621dpIO2gE74=; b=vAsIZiC+CzyBgDkhMchcViMnfim+cWH3xTknQFBo6jfh8+aabZ/lvyZ82PfqM5Asn2 PEW2XdAPZPLgvdVyj+lb32FpyBN2PkP20AquyDsQFOIaeJXvVxb0TEmoKfwjcqTUJ76r NsPe4eiaSPXO5OTccCzDEo04VzMn1AZSPJf9c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url :x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=480KS0irhcDjjHqvVzOH1FapvwUbpNjcSELR/CJPdy6nINvHjfIPhwrIeGSmNvTMK+ cNTOho+1NRax3+jJYTedQi0tHhov9QSlvp3hiYnzfS2o5mRF8GOld+wRiazVvC9bfIHf ZRrwdvFCOJh7v4PP1UGRDPQh3YhiXvabcBGyg= Received: by 10.229.130.143 with SMTP id t15mr118656qcs.37.1269731115697; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:05:15 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.50.82 with SMTP id y18ls2740722qcf.1.p; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.196 with SMTP id u4mr208986qcu.27.1269731114271; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.11.196 with SMTP id u4mr208985qcu.27.1269731114247; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si320958qyk.10.2010.03.27.16.05.14; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 16:05:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=_mvACW8O2POd2y79er8A:9 a=fFC9z0Rmff5HdtHf9WJgOdILKEoA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:34139] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id F1/A4-24750-92F8EAB4; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 23:05:13 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199CAA206 for ; Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:05:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Place naming conventions Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2010 19:05:08 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20100326192151.GF32085@digitalkingdom.org> <20100327011700.GO32085@digitalkingdom.org> <8CC9BBB176D8A52-13D0-104C6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CC9BBB176D8A52-13D0-104C6@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201003271905.10820.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/t/974cf8a7589023b7 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban/msg/9d9d208d6adaf1de Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Saturday 27 March 2010 07:52:20 tsofian@aol.com wrote: > How would lojban give unique names to places? Would be be something like > (and I'll do the English, because I still have no facility with this > lanuage) > > > Farm at coordinates 0 degrees 5 minutes 16 seconds north, 173 degrees 35 > minutes 42 seconds west > > > or could it be something like > > > Haven River Valley? > > > In each case what would those be in lojban? The former is "julra'o be li nopi'emupi'epaxa bo berti ku'a julra'o be li pazecipi'ecimupi'evore bo stici cange". I don't know if anyone's made up a word for "minute" or "second" in the angle sense; they could be "jgamentu" and "jgasnidu". The latter is "la marbi rirxe ma'arbi'i", though I'm not sure that "ma'arbi'i" (which means "between mountains") and "valley" mean the same, although that is its gloss. I prefer the latter, unless I'm trying to find the place with a GPS. It is possible in Lojban as well as in English for a name to be ambiguous. "la bil" can refer to any number of people named Bill, or to a city in Switzerland also known as "la bien" (it has two names because it's bilingual and the names in the two languages are different). I've seen two subdivisions in the same county with the same name. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.